Stephen Doughty (Labour MP for Cardiff South and Penarth) supported the case for remaining within the European Union in a BBC Radio interview today

Stephen Doughty (Labour MP for Cardiff South and Penarth) claimed in a BBC Radio interview today that most local business people that he had spoken to wanted Britain to remain within the E.U.

Stephen Doughty – the Labour MP for Cardiff South and Penarth – has claimed today that ‘most local businesses‘ support Britain remaining within the European Union.

In a BBC interview today Doughty said  “the vast majority of business people that I speak to locally in Cardiff  or in South Wales recognise the benefits of our membership” [of the E.U.].

Boris Johnson announced yesterday that he would be supporting the campaign to leave the E.U.

Boris Johnson announced yesterday that he would be supporting the campaign to leave the E.U.

Doughty dismissed the Mayor of London –  Boris Johnson’s –  decision to back the Out campaign as a “sideshow” . He claimed Johnson’s decision was a result of his “making calculations about his own political career rather than acting in the national interest”.

Doughty claimed that Wales would be receiving £2 billion from the EU over then next four years – but failed to point out this is Britain’s own money being recycled back from Brussels  .

Doughty defended E.U. “senseless red tape”  saying that what was described as “senseless red tape” a really meant things like maternity rights, or getting emergency health care across the E.U. or  “the reduction in costs of our mobile phone bills”. He said “that’s not senseless red tape to me – that’s about rights for consumers, it’s about lowering prices and its about ensuring that we’ve got rights at work” .   

He claimed that “200,000 jobs across Wales” were dependent upon the UK’s membership of the European Union and asserted that “We get far more out of our E.U. membership than we get in”.


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  1. Christopher David says:

    I personally don’t know which is the best way to go yet. I’ve looked at reports like the Woodford report (available on download) and its a “take your choice” situation with huge variables. The Economics media by and large appear to be saying its probably +/- 1% of GDP, and small price to pay if its negative to get rid of the thieves in Brussels ? But as far as Doughty is concerned- firstly he demonstrated in Regency Autos debacle he doesn’t even know what acompany is, so forget his opinion there and secondly any one can “talk to local businesses ” and make it up as you go. Hardly scientific. Penarth we need to ignore the politicians and dig deeper.

    • Philip Rapier says:

      I agree with David Cameron and Ladbrokes it is an “odds on certainty” the xenophobes will deservedly lose and we will stay in the E.U. Why!!??………………………………
      Well now let’s fast forward to June 24th- and imagine- Mr Cameron has lost, resigns and the £ falls out of bed so unemployment rockets. Obama and the IMF lends us a few trillion dollars so we don’t starve.
      Assuming that there is no call for a General Election and several UKIP and Respect members are elevated to the “British unelected undemocratic House of Lords” (which is vastly superior and much fairer than that nasty “Elected European Parliament”) here is my prediction.
      French, German and Spanish removed from National Curriculum overnight by the new Cabinet consisting of Internationally acclaimed Education Expert the new
      PM Michael Gove— who appoints as his
      Chancellor of the Exchequer- Nigel Farage
      Sec of State for Education -George Galloway
      Minister for Soup Kitchens and Foodbanks- Ian Duncan Smith
      Foreign Sec Boris Johnson with special responsibility for closure of Heathrow as not needed now as British Shpping Industry Revives-
      In a statement Mr. Johnson will probably end up having to say
      “Oh Dear!” ” Sorry Dad!” ” You were right as usual” ” We don’t have enough Ships!” ” “Please bring back those nasty EU Trucks so we can feed everybody’s children”

      • Mr Geoff Styles says:

        Another first reply post from Councillor Rapier.
        They are mostly make believe rubbish but that hasn’t stopped you so far.
        Keep ’em coming as this gives us a good idea on the inner workings of your typical Labour Councillor who finds he/she has too much time on his hands.

  2. Ian Norton says:

    Sorry, Stephen, but you and I are obviously speaking with different Penarth business people. Also, if you truly believe 200,000 jobs would be at risk by leaving the EU, then from where. Wales only has 1.4m people employed (a tiny 4.5% of the UK workforce), of which nearly 30% work in the Public Sector! Plus, the UK hands over £350m per WEEK to the EU! I look forward to the results of the referendum.

  3. Richard Snell says:

    What utter “Tosh” from where I am standing as a small business I want OUT and so it seems do the majority of our customers. I am still waiting to hear good reasons to stay in instead of all the negative. reasons and scaremongering. Exactly which 200000 jobs depend on Europe.

    • robert ryan says:

      I always thought that Penarth
      Council and their rates
      Were the worst enemy
      Of small businessmen !

  4. EH says:

    It will be impossible to draw any objective conclusion from the mass of largely unsubstantiated opinion that we’ll be bombarded with over the next few months. All commentators have their own agenda. In the end we might as well just vote with our gut feel – there’s no “utopia” out there whatever we do.

    Personally I will vote “IN” – not for me, or for small business, or for any political or economic reason, but simply for future generations of young people in this country who would no longer have the right to work, live and build their careers in the EU should they wish. That seems a “forgotten” point in this whole debate…

  5. Hes not spoken to me … i dont expect him too
    We are in favour of staying in as obviously we rely on trade with the EU and the wider world who use logistical hubs in the EU.
    that doesnt mean we can re assess a deal, talk about issues or be told facts rather than scaremongering headlines from both camps. i dont think the answer is as simple as shout loudest the EU has loads to offer us and likewise we can offer it lots in return.
    everyones situation and perspective is different but i think open forums are the way forward.
    we are hosting a stronger together get together as i would rather look at the positives and what we can do for and get from the EU.

    NB- there are lots of domestic issues id rather see sorted before i would look to go dictating to the wider world … the UK has plenty to do to get its own house in order 1st

  6. RetailGuru says:

    Wales is a net beneficiary of the European Union, London is not. I have been involved in many projects that wouldn’t have got off the ground if it hadn’t been for the EU.

    Don’t get me wrong, I hate the red tape and dodgy dealings, however, the fact remains that we need the opportunities that Europe presents.

    As for the argument that, if we weren’t in the EU, London would just send Wales the money ‘that we would have had’…. well, really? Come on, are you that naïve?

  7. Tim Gould says:

    Heard our MP on Radio Wales this morning. He does not talk a lot of sense even at the best of time. Funny listening to him defend Comrade Corbyn.
    By the way, he doesn’t sound very Local? He’s not one of these career Labour politicians by any chance.

  8. Christopher David says:

    Quite funny Mr Rapier. You have a talent for a plot line, but be warned, such convolution will be hard to manage as you trot it out on you’re 1st novel software and tabloid tablet. Seriously, it is amusing, you’re wasted on Labour-those dreamers that fuh fuh fiddle 🙂 while Wales burns.

  9. AK says:

    How about a PDN thread on the issue without the personal insults (which are now getting tedious).

    This is a serious issue which affects us all whatever the result.

    Boris Johnson seems to be making all the headlines today – unusual for him to do that as an MP and not simply Mayor of London. He writes eloquently for the ‘out’ vote, but as an author and a magazine editor, then his writing whould be good.

    I am undecided, but would enjoy a local discussion without the personal stuff already displayed here.

  10. Christopher David says:

    I agree AK (who are you?) – if persons will stop certain political jocularity (back door insults) that far from being jokey reflect their own prejudices and nest lining desires, I’ll stop any insults you may perceive come from me. FYI PDN is part of a worldwide org that has a history of allowing freedom of expression. Some overseas host posts are much more vitriolic than “ours”. It would also help if people used their own names- that’s gives credibility and lessons the target area. I find personally that some of us give quite factual postings or at least quote sources for discussion- I believe my first here was, then we get silly un-researched badly though our comments following. But lets not cut out banter ay! There are some topics that just have to be joked at.

  11. AK says:

    Banter is good – although is often misinterpreted online.

    I recently met for the first time, someone with whom I have exchanged online banter and texts with for over ten years – we always ‘got’ each other’s humour, while others sometimes got offended.

    Who am I ? Almost a local, having lived in Penarth since 1984.

  12. Ian Perry says:

    Those in the Leave camp hold strong opinions that are amusing. For example, the EU is “undemocratic” whilst Britain with the unelected House of Lords is a beacon of democracy – and then we have to consider the accountability of our councils.

    Then the “EU is wasteful”. Look on the bright-side, if you were to scale-up the wastefulness of the Vale of Glamorgan council, it’d be considerably worse.

    “Foreigners make our laws”. Rather like council officers, our democratically elected MEP’s appoint commissioners. These commissioners (who include UK national(s)) work with the civil service to set standards, etc. that our democratically elected MEP’s vote on to decide whether these suggestions are accepted/become law. The UK, as a larger country, has more votes than most countries, plus extra powers, so it is the UK that often imposes rules and laws on smaller EU nations. Poor them!

    Of course, the fact that the EU has laws that the UK struggles to abide by makes the UK unpopular with politicians like Boris. For Boris, as Mayor of London, it’s much better to for the UK to leave the EU than to try to meet the EU’s air quality standards. It seems that those voting to leave are happy to breath polluted air, whilst many of those voting for the UK to remain in the EU, want the UK to actually start meeting EU air quality standards.

    Would Westminster replace EU environmental targets that it tries to ignore today? If it did, those standards are likely to fall short of those set by the EU – and the Eton Club at Westminster with their country estates, are not going to inconvenience themselves by making any targets meaningful.

    As for the leading names of the Leave campaign, these include Climate Change denier, Lord Lawson, and people with disabilities hating Iain Duncan Smith… These people have done, and do nothing for equality, and nothing to help the masses of the UK. They are not about to start helping people in the UK.

  13. Stanley says:

    And migrants sending money home?

    • AK says:

      D0n’t we send pensions and heating allowance over to our poor pensioners in the Algarve?

      • Christopher David says:

        Yes – they earned it working and contributing (unlike certain Tony’s) for 40 years in the UK.

  14. KnockJohn says:

    I was 9 when we last had a referendum on the “Common Market” as it was then called, and hence, although I remember it, and various points raised at the time, I would not pretend to have had a fully intellectual understanding of all of the issues. Generally, the feeling of optimism for the trading bloc meant that people generally believed that this was the way forward. When the idea of the Euro was raised, I was in favour of this too. I have in fact been described as “very European” in my general outlook and enjoy much that the continent has to offer. However, the EU of today is not the organization we voted for in the mid 70s; and neither is the rest of the world.

    International trade and Free Trade Agreements do not require political union, and it is this “Closer and closer political union” that is an issue for me. Last week we saw David Cameron meeting with many leaders of other European countries, begging them to allow the UK to have some exemptions from the EU monolith, most of his points have been severely watered down and even then they will not be ratified until the EU meets AFTER we hold the referendum.

    It is not xenophobic to wish to trade with Africa and Asia in addition to the EU, but I do recognize that remaining within the EU prevents the UK from making the Trade Agreements that would be required for such trade. The UK could also retake it’s seat at the World Trade Organization which again would help facilitate a more global approach to trade.

    I’m also!do not believe that all EU legislation that the UK has enacted would be removed, some of these acts are actually very good; maternity/paternity leave, working time directive, etc..

    As has been mentioned by some of the commentators on PDN, in the end we mustntry to avail ourselves of the facts and then go with our guts onmwhichnwe think is the best way forward. Hopefully most of us can refrain from insulting those whose opinion we disagree with, such statements are normally counterproductive anyway.

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