LEVEL-PEGGING IN OPINION POLL AS PENARTH PONDERS EU VOTE

The results of the latest YouGov/Cardiff University opinion poll on thje EU Referendum

The results of the latest YouGov/Cardiff University opinion poll on the EU Referendum

With just under a month to go until the referendum which will give the UK the opportunity to break-free from the European Union – the latest opinion poll in Wales shows almost level-pegging between the Leave and the Remain side in Wales.

The poll conducted by YouGov for Cardiff University and ITV puts Welsh support for Leaving the EU at 39%  – only one percentage point behind those who want the UK to remain shackled to Europe.

The polls show that in Wales opinion has fluctuated throughout 2016:-

Polling Organisation                                                     Remain              Leave                 DK

Earlier polls taken this year show opinion fluctuating between he two sides

Earlier polls taken this year show opinion fluctuating between the two sides. All figures are percentages of the weighted sample of the population of Wales. DK  means “Don’t Know” or “Not Voting”.

The referendum vote will be held on June 23rd

On April 27th the Labour-controlled Vale of Glamorgan Council‘s so-called ‘cabinet’  expressed its preference to Remain in Europe and attempted (unsuccessfully) to get the entire council to endorse its view. However ordinary members of the Vale of Glamorgan Council refused to back the ‘cabinet’ and overwhelmingly voted that the council should not adopt any stance on the EU Referendum. (See http://tinyurl.com/gm34ul3 )

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERAPenarth Town Council has not yet expressed any view on the EU. In 2013 however the council finally pulled the plug on its “twin town” association with the French town of St Pol de Leon .

The Town Clerk of Penarth had written several times to St Pol de Leon – but had not elicited a reply .The Town Twinning Budget of £1,800 was re-designated as “Activities” so it could be used for other purposes.

In January this year Penarth Town Council also scrubbed proposals to establish a relationship with the Macedonian municipality of Dojran when it discovered that it was only 15 miles away from the international refugee border-hotspot of Gevgaligia.

 

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41 Responses to LEVEL-PEGGING IN OPINION POLL AS PENARTH PONDERS EU VOTE

  1. AK says:

    Good to see a ‘BREXIT’ topic at last, I hope that it will be used for some intelligent PDN discussion over the next few weeks, and not degenerate into the usual party political lines / insults.

    The topic is far too important to be left to politicians whose rhetoric on the subject is no longer creditable.

    Unfortunately the opinions of groups such as business, economic or military leaders are also conflicting.

    My observations and questions.

    Has the EU kept us a war free zone, or is that NATO ?

    The current economic situation / austerity was caused by a global collapse in banking coupled with politicians and people borrowing money which did not exist and which they could not pay back.

    I have no quarrel with people travelling across the globe to make a better life for their families (Brits have been doing it for centuries) but I would expect them to pay their way and have savings / a job / skills rather than to expect the state to take care of them just as I would if I decided to emigrate.

    What exactly does the UK produce these days that is exported to the EU or anywhere else ?

    • Philip Rapier says:

      i’ve changed my mind
      I’m out because-
      I trust MI5 to have a file on every Fascist in UKIP
      I’m out because
      The Trade Union Movement will fight the risks it faces from leaving just as it did everything else in our Democratic history. Because with Trade Union help we became the most democratic Nation in Europe at a time when the E.U. never existed
      I’m out because
      The Vale of Glamorgan will build on Agricultural Land as “you can’t stop us” and yet we in the UK have only 60% self sufficiency in Food Production per head for a population that is expanding at the rate of 30000 EU immigrants per month.
      I’m out because
      i remember, the Miner’s Strike, the Steel Strikes in the 80s when the Conservatives told us the we must modernise the “old” industries and commit to Europe so that in Germany and France they can make our Steel for us our Motor Cars for us our Ships for us without our Coal.
      I’m out because
      In years to come they will say Remember 2016 when the Conservatives bankrupted our Steel Industry for a second time and sold us out to India, China, and to the EU simultaneously.
      I think that’s what the Tories call giving us more choice.

  2. Frank Evans says:

    The right of people to settle in another where wages are 4 or 5 times that of their country of birth is not good for all. Huge amounts of money must get transfered out of the uk by those willing to work in difficult jobs for low pay while living in poor accommodation, great for middle classes here bit not so good for the uk unskilled.

  3. sjleworthy says:

    What have the European’s ever done for us?

    😉

  4. AK says:

    * credible

    Dodgy spelling…………….

  5. sjleworthy says:

    (My comments dont necessarily (or they might, who knows?) reflect the sway of my vote by the way)

  6. whatsoccurin says:

    level pegging-surprise surprise-we do not know, that is why we elect politicians to make these decisions for us. All this disruption is to try to heal divisions in the Tory Party and all it has done has made things far worse-whatever the result, unless it is 90%-10% (which it will not be) the voters will still be uncertain as to the best way forward-what next Cameron saying he has changed sides and is now in favour of brexit!!

    • AK says:

      Far too important for politicians to be trusted with- nor did we elect the European commissioners !

      ‘party politics’

      • whatsoccurin says:

        If that is the case and politicians have delegated this decision to the electorate then they should stay out of it-they have a vested interest in that the EU is another “layer of democracy” which provides a potential gravy train for them-didn’t Blair want to be “President of Europe” and Stephen Kinnock M.P has spoken well in the Tata situation but he and the rest of the Kinnock dynasty have done well out of the EU-He speaks on behalf of the steelworkers but I think it is unlikely he has ever had to apply for a job, where there was a chance he would be unsuccessful-the view of many politicians must be “the more layers of government the better-for me!!”

  7. Paul says:

    Here’s an interesting poll for you to take a look at which has so far received over 60,000 votes.
    It paints a very different picture to to some other polls with much smaller sample sizes

  8. Paul says:

    I’d urge people to also search for the spectator debate which can be found on you tube.

  9. Christopher David says:

    Stay in= Accounts not signed off in 19 years. £5 billion a year going missing. Unelected commissioners. But is the pragmatic decision to stay in? It comes down to, to which mafia we are better off under? The 650 part fiddling MP’s & 850 one big fiddle unelected Lords, or the MEP’s and Commissioners (who don’t have a grand cabinet hah).

    • Ian Perry says:

      Do we elect the officers employed by the Vale of Glamorgan Council? What about the civil servants working in the Welsh Government? NO????? How undemocratic! Get yourself down to Cardiff Bay and don’t return until your protests are successful!! 😀

  10. KnockJohn says:

    It is a shame that the twinning arrangement with St. Pol has been ended, as a school pupil in the late 70s early 80s, I was fortunate enough to engage in the school exchange twice. An excellent opportunity to experience the Breton way of life and culture, LOVED IT! I suppose in many ways I have always been quite European in outlook.

    However, the EU is a different kettle of fish altogether. What I like about Europe is the different countries and ways of life that one can experience across the continent. I even love having a go at the languages and different foods and drink. The EU, though, is a one size fits all authoritarian superstate which only really serves the interest of Germany, and to a lesser extent France. Readers must not forget how the EU has crucified Greece.

    For the UK, the decision to leave or remain has many nuances which must all be considered. There are risks in leaving, with new approaches to trade needing to be set up with the EU post Brexit (all covered by articles 8 & 50 of the Lisbon Treaty) but also with the world, something not allowed whilst we are locked in to Fortress Europe. However, there are risks associated with remaining also: Closer Political Union, New Diktats that we read are waiting in the wings for after the referendum, etc..

    In the end it is very much up to each of us to seek out all the information we can and try to vote in order to bring about the best future for the UK.

    I have watched the Brexit Movie, and learned a lot. Yes I am aware that it is a polemic, but it is an informative one. I would recommend it to anyone. If subsequent posters are able to point me in the direction of a similar but opposing views, I would be happy to watch this also, after all, what’s a few hours compared to a generation or so until we next have the opportunity to vote in this matter.

  11. CelticMan says:

    Just got back from Germany after staying with German friends. They are very concerned that we will leave the EU and also that countries like Turkey will join. I told them goodbye and good riddance to the EU as far as I am concerned but not to friends from wherever in the world they come from.

    • Ian Perry says:

      There is no chance of Turkey joining the EU. There are human rights issues with the oppression of the Kurds and other groups, and the President is anti-EU – and a dictator in the making. The problem is, people know what’s happening on reality TV shows, but are clueless as to what is happening in the world outside.

      I wonder why those who want to leave the EU still take holidays, because the EU has provided laws that ensure paid holidays… And many other things that people take for granted. CeltiMan may not have been able to travel to Germany without the EU’s role in our society.

      • KnockJohn says:

        In fact the Holidays With Pay Act 1938 pre-dates our EU membership by some 35 years http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo6/1-2/70/enacted

      • Penileaks says:

        Dear Mr Perry, judging by your comments above, i’m afraid that you have a strange idea of how things have worked in the past and how they are likely to work in the future.
        I believe that there is every chance that Turkey will eventually join the EU, not soon admittedly, but I think that the time will come when others in the EU will ‘find a way’ to get them in. Just look at how Greece eventually joined, they lied about many points in the application process and other EU countries turned a blind eye to all the requirements that were not met and pushed their joining up through. If you (and our current government apparently), do not believe that it is going to happen with Turkey, why are we paying them £640m to facilitate Turkish accession to the EU and another £1.2 billion into the EU fund for Pre-Accession Assistance to help Macedonia,\Montenegro, Serbia, Albania AND Turkey prepare themselves for joining in the future. If there was no hope of these countries joining, why would the EU instruct the UK and other countries to waste their money……..or perhaps that’s what the EU does much of the time – wastes money. Sounds about right !
        As for people who want to leave being the same ones who take holidays (I presume that you mean to EU countries), I have a vague recollection of my father telling me that he visited some European countries before we joined the EU and so it seems that people could travel to countries who are now members of the EU, before it all came into existence. No doubt others reading this will remember people travelling to current EU countries before the EU was formed and not only between 1939 and 1945.
        One thing that you are correct about is your point on people generally knowing more about reality TV than about what is going on around them and this is not only true in my experience, but also very sad. If we all decide to stay in, prepare yourselves for The EU Has Got Talent, The Voice EU, The EU X Factor, I’m an EU Celebrity….Get Me Out Of Here and Celebrity EU Big Brother………oh, I forgot, we’ve already got that and it’s alive and kicking in Brussels🙂

    • whatsoccurin says:

      I heard a similar story that EU are afraid that if UK leaves,France will also follow suit and leave the remaining EU to the Germans and their new “best friends” the Turks to pick at the carcass!

  12. Barrie Howell says:

    It comes down to UK sovereignty – do we want to be ruled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels issuing directives that we may not agree with but can do nothing about?
    If we leave the EU, many worry about trade – but business beats politics. In today’s Times & Telegraph BMW had 4 x full page adverts for their product just one month before the Referendum. They know that trade will continue if the UK votes to leave. That will obviously apply to UK manufacturers as well, selling to the EU.
    Many of the politicians that state we will not be able to trade with the EU if the UK leaves have not been in business. The world will not stop on 24th June.

    • Ian Perry says:

      In the event of a vote to leave the EU, the EU will be able to impose tariffs on companies wishing to export to the EU from the UK.

      • AK says:

        What do we manufacture to export to the EU (or anywhere) ?

        The UK will also be able to impose import tariffs.

        Most of the rest of the world is not in the EU.

  13. penarthblog says:

    Whatever side your on, make sure you vote and encourage others to do the same.

  14. Ian Perry says:

    “Shackled to Europe”? Is there a political bias at PDN? Both campaign groups have been far from honest, but the Leave campaign is based on fear and not fact. Should we leave the EU and remove ourselves from the European court of Human rights and the United Nations Commission of Human rights… Blogs like Penarth Daily News may no longer be legal in the UK…

    It seems that many have swallowed everything the super-rich have, though their newspapers, told them…

    Why would the super-rich hate Europe? It’s closed tax-loop holes, protected the working people and is fighting to protect the planet. Where will the UK be in the event of Brexit? A one-party state, governed by an elite political caste. We’ll be like Syria prior to the uprising. Syrian refugees will be fleeing the UK to the satisfaction of those not understanding the world around them.

  15. Kevin Mahoney says:

    Having worked in the European parliament Brussels building for an MEP I can safely offer the opinion that it’s the most corrupt undemocratic organisation that you are likely to ever come across. i’m afraid that it would take me too long to take apart every single aspect of Ian’s naive, idealistic hopelessly incorrect assessment so I won’t bother.

    Best of luck with your own choice of vote on June 23rd

    • Ian Perry says:

      Are you saying that Nathan Gill was/is a corrupt MEP? Is he currently both an MEP and an AM? How can he work effectively in Brussels, Strasbourg and Cardiff – and driving himself between the three cities and north Wales?

      I’d say that he isn’t in any way progressive, and looking at his voting record, not exactly representative of most people here in Wales. People are as unaware of how he votes as they are of how the EU actually works. Let’s remember that the European Parliament is elected, so if it is corrupt as Kevin claims, it’s due to the people that we elect. Given our record of electing MP’s who embezzle themselves from the House of Commons’ expense account, I’d say there is a problem within the electorate. A few weeks ago, a disgraced former MP was elected to the Welsh Assembly.

      No parliament is perfect. However, the issues Kevin raises may just be down to the fact that he was working amongst MEP’s who set out to sabotage the democratically elected parliament of the European Union.

  16. Christopher David says:

    Yes indeed – in fact the rather confused and yes deeply naïve Mr Perry appears to want a dictatorship in the EU or just the UK if we leave. He appears to have idealistic and denial views on democratic and political aspects, but no grasp at all on the fraud and fiscal issues.

    • Ian Perry says:

      Christopher, there has been and probably continues to be a problem with fraud within the EU. The British public sometimes choose their representatives unwisely.

      Ashley Mote, was a MEP representing the UK and a member UKIP – apparently are fighting against fraud and corruption. He was found guilty of fraud and was described by the trial judge as “a truly dishonest man”. In a second case, in 2015, Mote was jailed for a further five years for fraudulently claiming nearly £500,000 in European Parliament expenses.

      Then there is the case of the chief of staff of UKIP MEP Janice Atkinson, who was recorded apparently trying to inflate her expenses.

      Yes, there does appear to be a problem with fraud down to the type of person we are electing. Recent history suggests that we also choose similar people to represent us at Westminster. There is currently a police investigation into the funding of a political party at the last general election.

      • Peter Church says:

        Ian,
        You seem to be enamoured with all thing “continental” from the libertarian and egalitarian values to their excellent provision of shared cycleways!!
        Perhaps if the majority in the UK decide to part company with the corrupt EU, you can hop on your bike and cycle to the Netherlands to live🙂

      • Christopher David says:

        Yes but do you actually have something to say Mr Perry. With respect you appear confused. “Probably continues”! “Ashely Mote” really! All 5 Billion! “type of person we elect” ! Corruption and fraud in Westmoster (sic)…..no I’m shocked…..shocked I tell you.

      • Ian Perry says:

        Peter, you’ll find that the excellent cycleways on the continent are rarely shared with pedestrians – due to the conflicts, and potential injuries. When Britain was great, it was outward looking, making discoveries around the world and bringing them back to Britain. today, too many are isolationists, and our scientists are marginalised. Many people care more about the opinion of Lord Lawson than a distinguished scientist when it comes to climate change.

        I believe that the UK would be far better off with a UK parliament and local councils that are more democratic. Where meetings are not held behind closed doors and officers/civil servants have to justify their decisions, and are held accountable. After all, it’s often these British people who decide how and where to spend the money on behalf of the EU. Isn’t it time that in the UK, we adopted a democratic model more like that of the EU, and had proportional representation?

  17. penarthblog says:

    In the EU or out the UK will be effected. No country or even groups of countries can do things in isolation because in lots of areas like economies and cultures they are connected. So if the UK were to leave the EU, what might happen and I stress the word might as there is no way to predict the future. Other EU countries might be tempted to leave the EU and what would that mean? I think and I’m only guessing here but that could lead to the complete breakup of the EU. What would that mean to the UK? Would an unstable Europe be good for the UK? Just look what’s happening around the world right now, especially extremism. Now I know that extremism in Europe is partly due to lots of people feeling disconnected with the people and politicians in Brussels and rightly so because many of the decisions they make are bloody crazy. But I think many of the concerns that Brits have are mirrored by people all around Europe and one of the best ways to kick some asses in Brussels is to work together.

  18. Christopher David says:

    Yeah that’s worked well……..check out the ass kicking auditors just for starters…bah.

  19. Peter Church says:

    The one thing that makes me a vote leave is the scare mongering by those who offered the referendum to allow people to choose and are now scared they might give the answer they do not like.
    The lessons learned by the eurozone fiasco should be a warning, when in 1999 most of the UK establishment urged the UK to join the euro saying currency conversion would spell doom for the UK if it wasn’t a part of the currency union. In fact this was a bullet dodged!
    The same economic think-tanks did not foresee the crash of 2008/09 even thought every amateur financial forum did.
    Those who say labour laws and health and safety legislation are all as a result of the EU have obviously never travelled outside Europe, Brazil and Australia had a smoking ban in public bars long before the Wales or the EU woke up the the dangers.

    The one thing I hope does not happen is that we get a regional break downs of the voting patterns. This is not UK wide contest, instead the UK is voting as one country on one outcome!

  20. whatsoccurin says:

    It shows what dire straits we are in when I heard a sensible opinion yesterday from… the former Greek Finance Minister!-he said that the Greeks have every right to loathe the EU and Germany in particular,but you have to avoid letting your heart rule your head and being part of something is better than being outside-he also agreed that the EU had all the failings mentioned in these posts, arrogance and a sense of entitlement being the worst, but he felt the UK Representatives always helped matters with a tongue in cheek and amusing take on events (obviously for a fee!)

  21. Christopher David says:

    Jeezz occurin- the Greek PM is a popular panic vote. The Greeks fiddled to get in …then the Greek Club just fiddles. Brought it all on themselves. Just a pity many of the innocent Greek populace should suffer, but they should search out the truth and stop bleating against the EU, even if the EU fiddles £5 billon a year. Self entitlement! Isn’t that Greek orthodox? Mind- would be useful if you explained your last sentence.

  22. whatsoccurin says:

    Christopher-I did make the point that it is very difficult to obtain an unbiased objective opinion-BBC documentary last night was better than most, but I cannot imagine stone faced Christine Lagarde telling a “knock knock” joke!. I think what this chap was saying was that UK representatives do contribute much more than we think-is it all worth the money?-we will find on June 23rd that we are almost evenly split whatever the discussions in the meantime.

  23. AK says:

    I’m not sure that I have been convinced by either argument, here or in the media.

    Too many politicians trying to score cheap points, or feather their nest.

    I’m still doing the hokey cokey at the moment and time is running out.

    I am leaning towards ‘out’ because I do not like the thought of ever closer union nor a European Army.

    • Ian Perry says:

      Those are the claims of the out campaign.

      The UK is already a part of NATO – and this includes the major European powers. We do need to work closer with our allies, as a carrier fleet needs defending (and we lack ships to do this), and should consist of three carriers – hence the Invincible, Ark Royal and Illustrious. We’re only building two replacements, so will need to work with France, who have one (which also has planes).

      We spend in excess of £800m a week on defence. Should we spend more in order to have a military that is totally independent of other countries?

      Is it feasible that any of our NATO allies would invade us?

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