The Kymin on Beach Road, Penarth is the regular meeting place of Penarth Quakers

The Kymin on Beach Road, Penarth is the regular meeting place of Penarth Quakers

Penarth’s Quaker community – who meet every Sunday at the Kymin on Beach road  –  don’t often get involved in politics but – unprecedentedly – they are speaking out on the E.U. Referendum – now just over two weeks away on June 23rd.

In a statement headed “A local Quaker view on the EU referendum campaign” the Clerk of the Penarth Quaker Meeting  Carole Rakodi says:- 

Professor Carole Rakodi - Clerk of Penarth Quakers

Professor Carole Rakodi – Clerk of Penarth Quakers

We feel that the decision to be made in the EU referendum on 23rd June 2016 is of crucial importance to Britain and to the whole of Europe and beyond. We owe it to ourselves and to all those who will be affected to ensure that whatever the result, the campaign and the debate are based on truth and respect and not on misleading information or fear.”

“The Quaker movement came out of a time of political and social upheaval in Britain in the mid 17th Century, when there were deep divisions between people and much mutual suspicion leading to the scapegoating of particular groups. The founder of Quakerism, George Fox, came to believe that each of us has a responsibility to make our own choices and decisions, based not on doctrine, but by seeking the truth in the here and now.”

The statement concludes by saying “Quakers continue to place emphasis on taking individual responsibility for our own behaviour and for working towards communities based on truth, in which peace arises from equality and social justice and a sustainable use of resources is rooted in respect for the natural environment.”

“Quakers have never had a written creed, but we each try to live our lives in accordance with five key principles of Peace, Truth, Equality, Simplicity and Respect for the Earth. We hope that these or similar principles will underpin the discourse and decisions of all the campaigners and voters in the lead-up to the Referendum.”

As far as PDN knows – no other religious group in Penarth has yet made any public statement on the forthcoming referendum.


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  1. Peter Church says:

    Not as unprecedented as you might think!!
    They have recently spoken out against the TTIP trade deal between US and the EU saying it was “fundamentally antidemocratic in nature and therefore unacceptable”.

    So I suspect they are equally against a fundamentally undemocratic EU so as not to be hypocritical 🙂

    • Ivor Bagman says:

      So sorry to disagree with you
      Peter , but you must ” wise up . “

      • Frank Evans says:

        Wise up to never ending immigration ivor 😣

      • Ian Perry says:


        Norway and Switzerland are outside of the EU and have higher immigration rates than the UK. The Leave campaign isn’t being open and honest…

        2012 immigration figures from Eurostat:

        — Switzerland had a gross inflow of 11.33 EU migrants per 1000 of its population.

        — Norway had a rate of gross inflow of 7.38 EU migrants per 1000 of its population.

        — The UK, had a gross inflow of 2.48 per 1000 of its population.

        UKIP’s Douglas Carswell, has hailed Switzerland as a great example to follow on immigration. “It is no coincidence,” he has said, “that two of the countries with the best immigration systems I can think of – Switzerland and Australia – are both outside the EU.”

        And to compare the UK and Australia:

        — 28 per cent of Australia’s population was born overseas, according to figures by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (2016)

        — About 11% of the UK’s population was born overseas (some to British parents). A 2010 estimate suggested that 7.7% of the population were born outside the EU and 3.6% were born in another EU member state. The latest government figures show that most immigrants to the UK continue to come from outside of the EU – meaning that the UK has total control on whether these people can remain indefinitely in the UK.

        The Leave campaign are not giving people the facts on immigration.

      • An excellent point Ian.

        The thing is – it is not about quantity of immigrants, but rather quality.
        Currently, just under half of the migrants to the UK are from the EU, which is an “Open Door” available to each and every EU citizen regardless of skills and/or qualifications. The point of a points based system is that if, for example, the UK needs more Doctors and Nurses then the UK can attract such people from the whole world. Similarly, if the UK needed more bricklayers, plumbers, etc., then these attributes would be points weighted and so the immigration would be appropriate to the needs of the nation.

        Currently, the unskilled nature of the EU influx means that Indian Doctors, and Nurses from the Phillipines, for example, are limited more than they would be otherwise. Discrimination against the other continents in favour of Europeans of no particular skillset actually limits the possibilities for absolute numbers – as you so eruditely explained by quoting Mr Carswell.

        From 1850 to 1910, Penarth saw an exponential rise in population, but this happened hand in hand with the growing infrastructure. Look around you and see the incredible Victorian and Edwardian architecture. And this is the point, Penarth grew not only in population, but in jobs and services – Docks, Blue Lias Limestone quarrying and cement works, Cogan Brickworks, led to the development of Schools, Libraries, Shops, Leisure facilities, Parks, et-cetera. As long as the infrastructure grows in proportion with the population then balance is maintained; and this is best achieved when the right skills are brought in.

      • Frank Evans says:

        Excellent load of stats Ian Perry . But as with the case of Phil Rappier statists most are not worth the paper they are written on. Stick to cycling and telling to ditch our cars. 😅

  2. Dear People,

    I as a fully ordained Pastafarianism Minister in the Church of the Fly Spaghetti Monster urge my fellow pasta eating followers to think very carefully before you cast your vote on the 23rd of June.

    We ask our members to reject the heard mentality and seek a true enlightened path to happiness.
    Reject false profits and Dogs, from the bullying German Shepard to the striking French Poodle.

    As the great Spaghetti Monster doth say, those who eat my pasta and follow me will have ever lasting stains on their shirts.

    Go in peace good Penarthians and get a table outside the skeptical Italian during this hot weather.


  3. Christopher David says:

    Indeed PDN, but the musings of any group that believe in a fictional deity and follow (or pretend to ) a way of life laid down by people that didn’t know what happened to the sun when it went below the horizon, should be completely disregarded.

    • Mark Foster says:

      Christopher David, aka M. Cabane de Plage, is going to explain the Gravitational Red Shift of the Expanding Universe Theory after he’s carefully read the Book of Ecclesiastes.

      “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
      says the Teacher.
      “Utterly meaningless!
      Everything is meaningless.”
      What do people gain from all their labours
      at which they toil under the sun?
      Generations come and generations go,
      but the earth remains forever.
      The sun rises and the sun sets,
      and hurries back to where it rises.

      • Christopher David says:

        Ha a meaningless diatribe indeed. The expanding universe amongst other factors will ensure there will be a last sunset.

  4. Parcel says:

    Thought they were supposed to stay quiet……………….

  5. Frank Evans says:

    Quakers. Maybe they should stick to porridge and leave politics to those who have had their oats.

  6. Kevin Mahoney says:

    Once again Ian Perry completely misses the point.

    How many immigrants Switzerland or Norway admit to their country is no business of ours whatsoever.

    The whole point of being able to control your own borders is that you can admit as many or as few immigrants to your country as you feel are required.

    Within the EU we are unable to control any levels of immigration from EU countries whatsoever.

    The fact that the current Conservative ( and past labour governments) have failed to exercise any sort of rational control on immigration levels of from non EU countries has nothing whatsoever with membership of the EU or not. It is purely down to woeful incompetence.

    Of course Plaid Cymru is a party that constantly whines about immigration of British citizens into Wales so I’m a little intrigued as to your double standards here Ian.

  7. mrs marjorie reynolds says:

    Cardiff and Penarth has changed so much since I was young, it is like walking down a foreign city. Sometimes I think the politicians just want to get cheap labour into this country to keep the economy going. It is a bit like a big pyramid scheme, the more you let in the more that is required.
    Is it ever going to stop?

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