The bullet-riddled truck which killed 84 people on Nice's Promenade des Anglais last night

The bullet-riddled truck which killed 84 people on Nice’s Promenade des Anglais last night

Public representatives in Penarth have expressed their solidarity with France today after last night’s Muslim terrorist attack in Nice in which 84 people were killed.

A special vigil to remember the victims of the attack will take place at The Senedd at 17:00 tonight

Stephen Doughty MP for Cardiff South and Penarth

Stephen Doughty MP for Cardiff South and Penarth

Stephen Doughty Labour MP for Cardiff South and Penarth took to Twitter to say  “Awful news from Nice. Know the area where the attack happened well.This is one of the most dreadful summers ever.”

Penarth AM and Conservative Leader Andrew R T Davies

Penarth AM and Conservative Leader Andrew R T Davies

Penarth’s Conservative AM Andrew R T Davies said today “The attacks we have witnessed overnight in Nice were horrific, and we share the pain of a country still recovering from similarly shocking attacks in Paris last year. We stand shoulder to shoulder with our friends in France as they attempt to recover from these tragic events, and our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. These attacks are heinous and immoral, and we continue to hope that love will ultimately prevail in this battle against hate.”

Crowds on Penarth Esplanade on Carnival Day - a new safety assessment may now be needed.

Packed crowds on Penarth Esplanade on Carnival Day – a new safety assessment may now be needed.

The attack comes on the eve of Penarth’s Carnival Day in which hundreds of people will be coming to watch the festivities on Penarth Esplanade.

The  attack on the Promenade des Anglais in Nice has thrown into sharp relief safety precautions at all venues (particularly sea-side promenades) – where there are dense crowds and where it’s possible to drive a lorry along open and densely populated public spaces. In London today the “Cobra” security committee met to consider safety at all public events throughout the UK.

Penarth Town Council carries out risk assessments on all such local events. It’s one reason why the popular air display – which was the memorable highlight of last year’s Carnival Day – was dropped in the wake of the Shoreham Air Show tragedy.

Partially for safety reasons, measures to reduce the density of the crowds come into force this year at Penarth –  with the Carnival events being spread over a wider area and many events being moved to the Cliff Walk .  The risk of a  terrorist driving a truck into a crowd at any resort however, is something which no one – until last night – had ever contemplated.

Carnival Day on the Esplanade

Carnival Day on the Esplanade

Penarth’s pedestrian promenade is easily accessible by heavy lorries – which can, and often do, mount the pedestrianised-area to carry out routine maintenance or deliver goods . The vehicle used in last night’s mass slaughter was an innocuous-looking rented refrigerated food delivery truck.

On Carnival Day tomorrow the whole of the Esplanade and Cliff Hill will be closed to all vehicles and the entire Esplanade becomes a pedestrian area and a barrier will be  installed – but after last night’s mass murder in Nice, organisers may conclude that road cones alone are no-longer adequate to protect the public.

Although there will be police present at tomorrow’s Carnival Day South Wales Police no longer carry out public event coverage and rolling road blocks – which is why tomorrow’s Carnival Parade is starting at the Kymin rather than the town centre .

This is how many people were on the Esplanade on Carnival Day last year

Dense crowds on Penarth Esplanade on Carnival Day

It may now be necessary for Penarth Council to consider new measures to physically prevent any unauthorised lorry forcing its way into the area whilst there are special events in progress and so many hundreds of people on the Esplanade.

However, totally closing off the Esplanade to all traffic is problematic as there is a vintage car parade along the Esplanade and also the James Sommerin hotel is now fully open. As the town council cannot interfere with the operation of the hotel,   guests with cars have to be escorted through the crowds by a steward when they arrive on the sea front.

South Wales Police don’t comment on security measures but are echoing the statement issued nationally by the National Police Chief’s Council  DAC Neil Basu. He says “Our thoughts are with the people of Nice, all those affected by last night’s horrific attack and the emergency services whose job it was to respond.”

DAC Basu added “UK policing continues to operate at a heightened state against the backdrop of a severe threat level – that level has been in place since 2014. As after previous terrorist incidents, I have today asked all forces to review major events over the next seven days  to ensure the appropriate security is in place. Help us to keep our towns, cities and communities  safe, remain vigilant when you are out and about and if you see anything suspicious then let us know using the Anti terrorist hotline 0800 789 321 or 999 in an emergency.”



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  1. Anne Greagsby says:

    Pedestrianise the sea front Esplanade Safety must come first.

  2. Lyndsay Doyle says:

    I disagree. Terror only has an effect when the fear it causes makes us change our normal way of life. First, it’ll be pedestrianisation, then bollards and barriers, then checkpoints, then armed police – and then, the terrorists will have achieved their goal of ruining our liberty.
    We have to show them that, whatever they do, they cannot inhibit our freedoms.

  3. pompousfruit says:

    Well I would have thought during promenade festivities the promenade would have been closed to all vehicles apart from emergency vehicles and maintenance vehicles driven by those carrying out emergency repairs. Shame that the Promenade des Anglais wasn’t closed to vehicles.

  4. John Abbott says:

    Yet another Islamist/Muslim attack in Europe.
    When will the west catch on? large minorities living in our midst who sadly do not share the majority of our values and views. No wonder some in that minority end up alienated and commit atrocities.
    You can not secure everything, if someone is determined then they will succeed. Be it gun, lorry, knife or what ever.
    Concrete blocks across the esplanade, body searches as we entry Penarth town center, Police checks at Penarth railway station. How far do we go down this road?
    Solutions, I’m afraid there isn’t any.

    • Lyndsay Doyle says:

      5% isn’t a large minority. What are “our” values? As I disagree with your initial premise, it negates the idea of shared values. So, am I the alienated outsider? Does that mean I am likely to be radicalised? As a lifelong atheist does this mean that I should attack religious institutions because I disagree fundamentally with their beliefs? The majority of Muslims in the UK are moderate, and no more a ‘problem’ than Jehovah’s Witnesses, ‘born-again’ Christians, Buddhists or Rastafarians. Radical Islamists claim they are defending their faith against the actions of the West, and while we continue to interfere in the Middle East, we help radicalisation. However, the two main factions of Islam are each intent on destroying the other, so as soon as we take sides, for humanitarian purposes or for economic advantage, we leave ourselves vulnerable. The situation is infinitely more complicated than just accusing a minority, and in fact, does more to isolate them, and then alienate them, than the tolerance and acceptance we should be showing. This is the problem with such generalisations.

      • Peter Church says:

        You would disagree with the premise Lindsay, wouldn’t you!
        Our,(at least mine anyway) values are not committing mass murder at every opportunity.
        Look around the world and just about every conflict which involves atrocities can be connected with radical Islam. I can remember the last time a radical Jehovah Witness went on the rampage can you? So I don’t think this was a generalisation, but I guess your mantra is correlation ain’t causation.

      • Lyndsay Doyle says:

        Peter, thanks for doing so much to prove my point (once we discard your obvious confirmation bias, of course).
        To say that the 5% of our population here that are Muslim do not share our values – which you say are not committing mass murder, indicates that you believe the Muslim minority in the UK believe mass nurder is acceptable – which they do not. That is the point I made about the overwhelming majority of moderate Muslims who are no more dangerous than Jehovah’s Witnesses.
        It’s clear that your unfounded assumptions are prejudicial and uninformed. The problem with demonising any minority in this way is that, by isolating and stigmatizing them, you make matters worse.
        If you ignore the genocides in Rwanda and Srebrenica, and the mass murders in Columbine, Sandy Hook, and Utoya, amongst many others, then many atrocities in recent years have been carried out by radical Islamic jihadists. The vast majority of victims have also been Muslims. Do not ignore this very important fact.
        The attack in Nice is still being investigated, and although Daesh have claimed the perpetrator is one of their “soldiers”, (which they do at every opportunity) he didn’t attend a mosque, didn’t observe Ramadan, smoked hash and drank alcohol, and was in the process of divorcing his wife. He was a petty criminal with anger issues, and to describe him as a terrorist, the French government said he had to have been ‘radicalised’ very quickly. It seems unlikely. He was as much a Muslim fundamentalist as Anders Breivik was a Christian.
        We might have been subjected to more terrorist attacks in the UK, were it not for the fact that the security services share intelligence, while the French currently do not. Their agencies tend to compete when they should cooperate. Furthermore, France is currently being subjected to industrial action, demonstrations and rioting which is hardly touched upon in our news, and their police are overstretched to the point where they are pleading for more reservists. By drawing upon the wave of public outrage they may now succeed in strengthening police numbers and quell the uprising. Cynical, but check the news – you can do this by ignoring the British press.
        I’m sorry this analysis is not as simple as you would like, but as I said, the problem is very complicated, and I await news from ANY elected politician anywhere in the world, that they have any answers. Meanwhile, it behoves us all to avoid singling out minorities, spreading hate, and creating enemies.

      • Frank Evans says:

        Lindsay, having read some of your exchanges with Christopher, you always seem to have to last say. Maybe you should change your name to Lastsay!
        5% seems very low to me, I don’t think the distribution is even. Try walking down some streets in Cardiff and it’s 5% born in Wales.

      • Lyndsay Doyle says:

        Frank, a few people, like yourself, seem to be confusing me with someone else called Lindsay. I have been posting for several years under my full name, and have had no exchanges with Christopher. Several people suffer from assumptionitis.
        The 5% figure for the Muslim population of the UK comes from the census, and no matter how many times you walk down some of the streets in Cardiff, you won’t be able to influence the census. As you say, it’s unlikely to be evenly distributed, but Cardiff has had a relatively large proportion of ethnic minority groups for over a century. I’m surprised you didn’t know this. Penarth, on the other hand, does not have a large proportion of ethnic minorities, so, based on national averages, it balances out at 5%. You can do the maths yourself, if you prefer, using data available from official sourses on the internet.

      • Frank Evans says:

        Lyndsay. You share some of the patronising and condescending talk of Lindsay so I assumed you were the same person. Anyhow you both seem to timeshare your posting duties. I am also surprised you haven’t noticed streets in Cardiff have become a lot more ethnic as you put it in the last 5 years never mind the last century.

      • Lyndsay Doyle says:

        Perhaps you had better report this to the people who conduct the census. They will have to start counting all over again. If only they’d known about your impressions a few years ago.

      • Frank Evans says:

        Lasts at Lindsay ☺☺☺

    • whatsoccurin says:

      Not sure it is an Islamist/Muslim attack-I am sure ISIS would have taken great pleasure in filling the lorry with explosives and causing carnage. I think our main enemy is complacency-we all watched the government changes this week which were completed with good grace and humour-Cameron and Osborne photographed in a cafe looking like two “Apprentice” losers-it is not like that everywhere!-the world is a dangerous place-look at Turkey, and there are states and individuals that do wish us harm. France and Germany may not be “our cup of tea” and the EU drives us up the wall with it’s bureaucracy-but these states wish us no harm and “better together” seems a commonsense motto.

      • Smell the Coffee! says:

        “Not sure it is an Islamist/Muslim attack”
        No I suspect he did this because of the high house prices in Nice.
        Whatsoccurin, you seem to be a little bit naive.

      • Ian Perry says:

        Increasingly, it’s looking like this was an attack by someone full of hatred, rather than someone who had been “radicalised”. The people who have killed so many in mass shootings in the US are rarely “Muslim”. They are usually white, Christians, with problems…

        He was separated from his wife and children, who he may have suspected to be on the prom that evening… He had a history of violence. He wasn’t a practising Muslim according to those who knew him.

        When Andreas Lubitz crashed Germanwings Flight 9525 into a Swiss mountain, killing 150 innocent people, no one talked about his religion…

    • Frank Evans says:

      My life ambition is to protect our society from lorry driving or axe wielding IS attackers. Who some posters on here a year back said they would gladly open up their homes to. Niave bordering on the stupid I would say.

      • Keith Inker says:

        Fearmongering nonsense, and a straw man argument, to boot. It’s a false dichotomy – no one wants to see lorry driving attackers. But, tell me how you are “protecting” our society with your baseless scare tactics and racist attitudes?

      • Lyndsay Doyle says:

        Who on earth said they would gladly open up their homes to knife-wielding attackers, Frank?

  5. Martin Coffee says:

    Attacks by lorries have been been considered in the past and even in the Vale of Glamorgan there are obvious locations with mitigation.

    What has changed is that this type of attack has now occurred and precautions will have to taken. I suspect such precautions will make the organisation of some events more complex if not impossible. It is surprisingly simple to prevent such attacks at Penarth’s Carnival Day, for instance, but this would cause other problems which may be unacceptable.

    • Joe blow says:

      It would be easy enough to park a police van across the prom by the zebra crossing opposite the pier and at the top of the hill at the other end.

      But with Stephen Doughty as our mp. I suspect we are quite safe.

  6. Ian Perry says:

    I have spoken with my friends who identify or are identified as “Muslim”. They assure me that the vast majority of people with brown eyes do not get so angry that they decide to commit mass murder.

    Similar hate crimes and mass killings are being carried out in Sudan. Do we say that because of this, many black people are a danger to our society?

    We’re heading back in time to when people were segregated by their skin colour, except this time, we’re discriminating about religion… Ah, this is also not new. We’re no longer fighting Protestant vs Catholic, but anyone who is Muslim or looks like a Muslim against the rest of us…

    It appears that many who identify themselves as “Christians” are intolerant of those from other religions – which is hardly what the Bible tries to teach. As my friend who teaches the Quran says of the Bible and the Quran… “They’re the same”.

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