CONSIDERATE PENARTH: No. 14

Here the car is barely touching the double yellows and has left as much room as possible for passing traffic - if perhaps not so much for pedestrians.

Here at the junction of Glebe St and Plassey St a car has been carefully parked on the corner – barely touching the double yellows and considerately leaving as much room as possible for passing vehicles  – if, perhaps, a little less for pedestrians on the pavement.

Once drivers are used to parking at an angle in echelon style - with tail-out - it's hard to break the habit when you get to Clive Place.

Once drivers are used to parking at an angle, in echelon style – with tail-out – it’s almost automatic to use that space-saving technique everywhere – even on ordinary roads like Clive Place.

Nothing at all wrong with how this car has been parked - but as Bradenham Place is one way - how did it get here?

Nothing at all wrong with how this Peugeot has been parked – but as Bradenham Place is one way – how did it get here?

Yes, well OK this lorry COULD have parked next to the pavement - but that would have meant taking up valuable car-parking spaces. Much better to unload in the middle of the road - and leave those sacrosanct parking places clear.

Yes, well OK this lorry COULD have parked next to the kerb – but that would have meant taking up valuable car-parking spaces in Penarth town centre. …Much more considerate – therefore – to park-up in the middle of the road, unload deliveries there – and leave those sacrosanct parking places clear.

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37 Responses to CONSIDERATE PENARTH: No. 14

  1. Bartholomew says:

    About the last photo: what if there had been cars parked in those spaces before, but they’d driven out before the photo was taken? Presumptuous Penarth No.14

    • Keith Inker says:

      Of course, that would still mean that the lorry was double-parked in the first place, on the busiest stretch of main road in the town centre. Whether or not there were cars parked kerbside before, the lorry driver was still being inconsiderate, which is the point.

    • Ivor Bagman says:

      Totally agree

      • Tom says:

        How else is the driver to drop off deliveries? Do you suggest (s)he waits (all day) in the road until the kerb area is clear or drives round the block (all day) until everyone who can’t be bothered to walk to the shops finally puts their car away? I expect there’d be the same kind of moaning if the shops were empty because drivers with deliveries hadn’t been able to park. Lest we forget, this relentless saga about parking in Penarth is largely because the kind of people who say ‘I like living in a little town – it’s got everything’ just will not walk anywhere and believe it their right in ‘their’ town to be able to block and pollute the roads while they take the car on a two-minute trip to ‘nip in’ for something on the high street.

      • Doctor David says:

        It would be a lot more sensible if they used a smaller vehicle to drop off a single washing machine. Alternatively, he could park further away, and use a motorised barrow to bring the single item to the shop. This is how they cope elsewhere.

      • Tom says:

        Doctor David, so when a company is loading its van for a big drop-off in South Wales and the surrounding area, they must remember to say ‘No, take that one washing machine off – it’s going to Penarth and those people are special and don’t like anything but their own cars on the high street so we’ll need to put it in a smaller van.’ Perhaps the cost of that service might be added to the purchase price of the item – if only it would be the case that those who hog the sides of the town’s roads with their vehicles were the ones to pay (that’s doubtful – I’ll bet they’re on Amazon/Tesco etc for all but bread and other small goods in Penarth). As for parking ‘further away’, and using a ‘motorised barrow to bring the single item to the shop’, where is your evidence that ‘this is how they cope elsewhere’? And where do you propose the delivery operative parks? The clifftops? Again, will you be happy to pay for the extra time and man power involved in transporting a single washing some distance. If the people of the town believe the streets belong to them, presumably they will be happy to pay for what that monopoly entails?
        To my mind it would be ‘a lot more sensible’ if those who live in the town left their cars at home (and got off their bottoms to do a bit of walking and carrying light shopping bags) allowing anyone dropping off heavy goods as part of a day’s work to do so without being lambasted by those with the leisure and luxury to do so.

      • Doctor David says:

        I’ve seen large articulated lorries that carry fork lift trucks or barrows at the back to make local deliveries. Furthermore, at 7am there is usually space for trucks, before the lazy shoppers turn up with their needless journeys.
        What I query is why such larger deliveries cannot be co-ordinated. If Sainsburys, Co-op, Wasons and the others communicated with each other about delivery times, working a rota perhaps, we wouldn’t need double-parked trucks hogging the main road, affecting other road users, including buses going both ways.
        This might mean getting up early to open up for deliveries, as most landlords already do when the dray is due.
        I’m not really interested in excusing these problems with blather. I’m more interested in exploring potential solutions.

      • Tom says:

        In your quest for ‘solutions’, you may need to make up your mind – are all deliveries to be done at 7am when you suggest there is ‘space for trucks’ or are they to be ‘co-ordinated’ at different times by rival companies with outlets across the land to be accommodated? People in Penarth may live in a bubble whereby their needs are the ones of utmost importance but in the wider world, Doctor David – as you muse on synchronised answers – it’s called business, not ‘blather’.

      • Doctor David says:

        It’s a shame you’re so determined to keep the problem, despite the possible solution in my earlier comment.
        This requires communication and co-operation between the businesses concerned to co-ordinate their deliveries so they are staggered rather than all at the same time.
        Deliveries are supposed to take precedence earlier in the day, so that would be a good starting point.
        If everyone always insisted on only seeing negatives, then we would still be looking for nuts and berries every day. Use your imagination to see a way of fixing this problem instead of continuing to moan about it. You’re like someone sat in front of the fire complaining about being too hot.

      • Tom says:

        If you read my contributions, you will see I am not moaning about it – I accept it as part of town life, unlike some who think the streets are theirs. It may be you’re being deliberately obtuse but I will nevertheless again point out the flaws in your ‘solution’ where everyone ‘coordinates’ their delivery times. Have you any idea how impossible this would be – liaising with every delivery vehicle for every drop-off for every town in Wales or the UK? There is a wider world out there which does not revolve around the needs of Penarth road-users. The likes of B&Q will only give a six-hour window for a delivery time to a private customer, because it’s impossible to pinpoint exact times to drop off items. If ‘deliveries are supposed to take precedence earlier in the day’, as you say, what will they do about dropping off in Milford Haven or Monmouth or Aberystwyth when they’re in Penarth, and what will the delivery drivers do for the rest of the day if they can only drop off in small towns in the mornings? As admirable – if naive – as your efforts at problem-solving may be, I doubt the retail world is ready for mornings-only work patterns.
        I’m very disappointed you’ve resorted to accusing me of ‘moaning’ when in fact I was merely pointing out the futility of others doing so.

      • Doctor David says:

        There is no problem with deliveries in some places, because they are limited to a time slot for their visit, which must be booked in advance with a co-ordinator.
        I’m amazed at your stubborn unwillingness to look at solutions, Tom. I suppose there are those who think outside the box, and those who are unaware that they are in a box.
        What this problem needs is creative thinking, not a ‘cannot do’ attitude. If you want change, you have to do something different, not sit and continue to bemoan the current situation because you consider it acceptable. You “accept it as part of town life”, and that is where you give up and stop imagining.
        This problem can be considerably eased by having one person to co-ordinate deliveries, staggering the times so we never get a blockage or a bottleneck.
        In Cardiff, all deliveries to the city centre must be finished by 10am. I would propose we stop ALL private cars from parking on Windsor Road, from the roundabout to the junction with Arcot Street/Hickman Road until 9am – allowing lorries to deliver ONLY at these times. After 9am it would be private vehicles only, and no deliveries unless they are to VACANT loading bays. This would have to be enforced, with any offenders fined.
        As for Monmouth, Aberystwyth etc., drivers seem to work around these problems if they have deliveries in Newport, Cardiff and Swansea, where restrictions apply, so they can work around town centre restrictions in Penarth too.
        If this is properly organised, legislated and enforced then let me learn your reason(s) why it cannot be achieved with the right forethought.

      • Tom says:

        My apologies, I’m unable to respond with any seriousness to someone who uses the phrase ‘think outside the box’.

      • Hamish Munnypenny says:

        I think maybe a few others have spotted your limitations, Tom.
        I have no idea if Doctor David’s proposal is workable, but it does, at least, offer a potential solution, and that is all to the good.
        I would like to see if this proposal could be studied in more depth. At least it represents some positive thinking, rather than lethargy.

      • Tom says:

        It would be a blessed relief if, instead of looking for ‘limitations’ in others, some looked at their own limitations, rather than – presumably in an attempt to appear ‘positive’ – sanctimoniously backing nonsense suggestions with no foundations in the real world. Doctor David’s ‘positive thinking’ is no more workable than me suggesting a toll be charged for anyone entering Penarth in order to pay for a car park. But hey, at least I’m demonstrating some ‘potential solutions’, as opposed to ‘lethargy’. I’m overrun with ‘positive thinking’ me – a tram system, a hotel on the pier, a bridge between Penarth and Weston. We could do this, we could do that… we could hold an annual balloon race powered by all the hot air.

      • Danny Oakentrode says:

        You obviously want the present situation to continue, Tom. It’s a pity you’re being so closed-minded about this. There is clearly a problem with deliveries, but you seem to think there’s no room for any improvement. I welcome any ideas that could make matters better, and contributions from interested parties often bring up new thinking.
        I’m just very glad that such matters are not up to you.

  2. AK says:

    I am glad that you actually publish the registration plates of these idiots, rather than pixelate them out as some sites do for reasons I can never understand.

    Perhaps one day, they’ll be shamed into a response, or better still to improve their parking ability; but I won’t hold my breath.

  3. Cogan nomen says:

    Shall I post the number of the grey car that nearly ran me down by the library yesterday ?

  4. Paul says:

    Theres a real art to what they do, aimed at creating as much inconvenience as possible. Wonder if theres a special driving school, which teaches em…

  5. snoggerdog says:

    remember when we had police? they did all those enforcements,whatever happened to mr dixon?any way im sure most of the drivers in this town would prefer not have the old bill bothering them when they go about their business.i live near a certain hostelry,where the patrons stagger out to their4x4 off roaders knowing they are quite safe winding their way home without having their collars felt .

  6. Peter Church says:

    The photo of the Red car at an angle is it a Toyota, as it doesn’t show up on the DVLA car tax check?

  7. Mgg says:

    Still means the lorry is in the middle of the road .and fornutate that cars left in sequence , what If you were in the middle . It’s a disgrace whatever way you look at it

  8. Martin Coffee says:

    Perhaps one of our representatives in Barry could explain why they’re allow this antisocial and dangerous behaviour to continue? I know they employ some enforcers but I see no signs that they are at all effective.

    • Peter Church says:

      Horace, can you arrange the caps, anoraks, note books and platform tickets for Martin and me? as you seem familiar with what is needed.
      If you don’t mind could you also lend us your special headset that takes you back to the nineteen sixties?

    • Peter Church says:

      I don’t give publicity to S***savers as I prefer independent opticians to succeed.
      Anyway what would I need a voucher for, only ‘old’ people wear glasses!!

    • Doctor David says:

      Of course, you would never see children wearing glasses, would you?

  9. Paul says:

    Exactly……………………………………………..

  10. QueensRd says:

    Whilst pushing my disabled daughter into town in her wheelchair, a chap in a 4×4 decided to park his vehicle across the pavement drop that allows us to cross the road (busy Glebe St by the bike shop). When i asked him to relocate his vehicle he said that he wouldn’t and told me to ‘get a life’. All of this in front of his son… Somebody has got to do something about these anti social people who seem to think just about themselves.

    • Paul says:

      just push past the badly parked car, if it ends up scratched then so be it. The small minority of antisocial people do spoil it for the rest. But reading some of the comments posted here makes me think that Penarth is full of people who couldn’t be civil if their lives depended on it.

  11. Andrew Worsley says:

    There is a taxi firm on Glebe St that constantly parks on the drop pavement section of the sidewalk , but you see its the nearest space to the office door , so saves the taxi driver from walking , as he does a lot of walking whilst driving around in his taxi . If anyone with poor eyesight or in a wheelchair wants to get on or off the road at that point im sure he would oblige if you asked him to move his vehicle. But avoid the washing machines inside the building as you enter.

    • Daffy Dilwyn says:

      Didn’t you know? Those dropped kerbs are there to stop the taxi drivers damaging their wheels when they mount the pavement. It is a well-known fact that forcing taxi drivers to walk can cause them to develop normal health and limit their reliance on cars.
      Stopping this would definitely hit trade, by making the pavements clear for pedestrians, and encouraging people to walk.
      Furthermore, people would be late for work without taxis because, even though there would be less cars on the road, there would be no one outside sounding the horn to get them up at all hours. You should count your blessings.
      That’ll be £12-60 please. Sorry, I had to take the long way to explain my point of view, because the obvious way was blocked.

    • Alistair says:

      Maybe the delivery firm should employ the Incredible Hulk so he can park the lorry by All Saints Church (usually a few spaces here) or on Cliff Parade and carry the washing machine up to the town centre. You daft lot. What else can this poor guy do???

      • Doctor David says:

        Get his bosses to address the problem, for a start. Instead of that, he just ignores it, despite the problems it causes for others, and nobody does anything, and nothing gets solved. And then we get those who throw their hands in the air and say ‘what else can this poor guy do’?
        The solution is there, but first, it is necessary to acknowledge that he is part of the problem, and stop apologising for his part in this.

    • Paul says:

      That’s the same taxi company that only employs colour blind drivers, at least I assume they do given that they drive through every red light

  12. Danny Oakentrode says:

    I wonder what would be the legal position if a mother with a pushchair, bags of shopping, and a tired, grouchy three year old child were to accidentally scratch the paintwork of the Mercedes illegally parked on the pavement outside the Labour Club? Could she be held liable for damages, or is the driver wholly to blame because of the way he has blocked the pavement?

  13. Peter Church says:

    “Mercedes illegally parked on the pavement outside the Labour Club?”

    Those Champagne socialist are at it again🙂

    • Woowoo Wizzywoo says:

      You really won’t find champagne or socialists in that place. There are more socialists in the Conservative Club than the Labour Club. The Mercedes was more likely to have been left there by someone waiting for a takeaway.

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