COSMESTON MEDIAEVAL VILLAGE IS NOT IN PENARTH – COUNCILLORS DISCOVER

The Vale Council wants to use the two big barns in Cosmeston Mediaeval Village for civil marriages and wedding events - and asked Penarth Council for its observations.

The Vale Council wants to use the two big barns in Cosmeston Mediaeval Village for civil marriages and wedding events – and asked Penarth Council for its observations.

Penarth Town Councillors have been told they cannot consider another money-making Vale Council scheme for Cosmeston Country Park – the hosting of wedding ceremonies at the Cosmeston Mediaeval Village.

The Vale of Glamorgan Council itself had sent Penarth Council details of a planning application it had submitted to itself for  the proposed “change of use” of two barn buildings – the Tithe Barn and the Reeve’s barn at Cosmeston Mediaeval Village – so that “civil marriages and wedding events” can be held in them  .

The Vale Council had invited Penarth Town Council’s planning committee to make its observations on the scheme. However when the matter came up for discussion,  councillors couldn’t agree whether the Cosmeston Medieval Village was actually within Penarth’s borders or not

 Cllr Martin Turner (Conservative Plymouth Ward)

Cllr Martin Turner (Conservative Plymouth Ward)

Cllr Martin Turner (Conservative Plymouth Ward ) – asked “Is the village actually in Sully?”  

Cllr Gwyn Roberts (Labour St Augustines)  asserted it wasin Sully ” and Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell – in the chair) added “I think it’s in Sully” and went on to explain that parts of Cosmeston Country Park did fall within Penarth –  but, adamantly, the mediaeval village itself did not .

Cllr Gwyn Roberts (Labour St Augustines)

Cllr Gwyn Roberts (Labour St Augustines)

Cllr Gwyn Roberts said “ We’ve had a debate like this before. It’s not in our area. We should not consider matters outside our boundaries “ [ PDN Note : On October 22nd Cllr Roberts and Cllr Rhiannon Birch (Labour Cornerswell) had moved Labour-party motion gagging Penarth Town Councillors in order to prevent them from expressing an opinion on the controversial Taylor Wimpey housing development in Sully. Such a discussion – had it taken place – could have embarrassed the Labour-controlled Vale of Glamorgan Council on which they both serve as salaried “twin-hatted” members].

Cllr Clive Williams (Conservative Plymouth Ward)

Cllr Clive Williams (Conservative Plymouth Ward)

Cllr Clive Williams (Conservative Plymouth Ward) said he understood that the total of  Cosmeston County Park was in the Plymouth Ward of Penarth –  but Cllr Gwyn Roberts refuted this,  saying that “the medieval village is not in our area. It is in Sully”. 

Cllr Anthony Ernest, Conservative Plymouth Ward

Cllr Anthony Ernest, Conservative Plymouth Ward

Cllr Anthony Ernest (Conservative Plymouth Ward) said he was not so sure  “Sully Brook – the little brook is actually the boundary  and then the Mile Road is the ward-boundary”. 

Cllr Gwyn Roberts didn’t agree with Cllr Ernest. He said “I think there’s a small part of Cosmeston – the northern or western part of Cosmeston falls in your area [i.e. the Plymouth Ward of Penarth ] but the vast bulk of that park is in Sully . The medieval village is outside our boundary”

Further disputation continued until the Town Clerk Emma Boyden proclaimed “We’ll get the map.”

Cllr Turner did not rally to the support of his two Conservative colleagues and said only  “It would be useful to clarify before we  discuss the use of Cosmeston Park and before councillors have an opportunity to comment on it “

Whilst the large-scale Penarth map was being retrieved from upstairs offices, councillors discussed other business and then – when the map arrived in the council chamber – studied it intently.

Cosmeston Country Park's lakes are within the Plyumouth Ward of Penarth - but the Cosmeston Mediaeval Village is just outside it

Cosmeston Country Park’s lakes are both within the Plymouth Ward of Penarth – but the Cosmeston Mediaeval Village is just outside it

The Town Clerk said “It’s outside [ i.e. the Cosmeston Mediaeval Village is outside the Penarth boundary] 

Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell) chairman of Penarth planning committee

Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell) chairman of Penarth planning committee

Cllr Neil Thomas told Cllrs Ernest and Williams “You’re quite right about the boundary going around the lane – but it goes along that road and outside the village – outwith our boundary” 

Cllr Ernest asked why, in that case, had the Vale Council invited Penarth Council to comment on the scheme?

Cllr Thomas said  the Vale Council had simply made a mistake . It should not have asked the Penarth Council to comment.  As chairman he ruled  that Penarth Council’s  response to the Vale would be to say only that “This is outside our boundary and not say anything else “.

Cllr Roberts did not say anything further but – buffing his fingernails on his lapel – he looked extremely satisfied with the outcome.

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14 Responses to COSMESTON MEDIAEVAL VILLAGE IS NOT IN PENARTH – COUNCILLORS DISCOVER

  1. Chris David says:

    Hells Bells. PTC make a decision on new hair-choppers, but it isn’t a decision as they have no power so refer it to the VOG to make a decision. Moving on from haircutters to people bonders VOG ask PTC to comment on a decision they’d like to make and can- but PTC can’t. PTC say its not our non- decision to comment on so refer it back to decision makers VOG suggesting they bat it back to Sully, who can’t make a decision so will send it back to VOG- who can. Well they should be able to from those £800 Chip-In-Vale chairs and a “cabinet” to warm themselves in. Is there any point to any of this…or these people? Lets have one lot- for us preferably in Penarth.

  2. It is comforting to see that Councillor Roberts got something right for a change.

    • RetailGuru says:

      Yep, the same Cllr Roberts who I only ever see when it’s time to campaign for an election and when confronted with a question promises to “look into it” and never does… Loves his own status…

  3. jm says:

    again, councillors that don’t even know their ward boundaries?
    😡

  4. Ivor Bagman says:

    I thought Cosmeston was between
    Morriston and Lavernock .

  5. RetailGuru says:

    Great idea using the village as a marriage venue, whether it’s within PTC demise or not I’d support it.

  6. Councillor Michael Garland says:

    The Medieval Village, car park area, Rangers Office and Café fall within the Lavernock Ward of Sully and Lavernock Community Council.
    Electoral Services of The Vale Council designated the Rangers Office as a suitable Polling Station for Lavernock as it was within the Ward Boundaries.

  7. Lenny says:

    How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

    • Frank Evans says:

      I often ask myself how councillors can dance on penarth head before it collapses into the sea with our money.

      • Chris David says:

        Hopefully yes- a few of them anyway at their Christmas party were no doubt paying for:-)

  8. Joe blow says:

    Medieval. Hth.

  9. Paul says:

    You couldn’t make it up, if u tried!

  10. Chris David says:

    After crawling through the eye of a needle!

  11. It is quite a quirk that if you visit the Visitor Centre you are in “Sully”, but if you walk through the gate to feed the swans you are in Penarth. Just 25 yards or so, and the whole scenario changes, with 9 “Good People” down in the Jubilee Hall making decisions about events mostly affecting Penarthians. There you go !

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