PENARTH COUNCIL PONDERS £150,000 NAME-CHANGE FOR ‘WELSH ASSEMBLY’

The National Assembly for Wales has called on Peanrth Council to come up with suggestions for a new name to call itself by

Penarth Town Council has been invited to suggest a new name for the  National Assembly for Wales

Penarth councillors are being consulted on what catchy new name they can come up with for what’s currently called the “National Assembly for Wales”.

This document asked Penarth Council's help in suggesting a new name for the National Assembly

This document asked Penarth Council’s help in suggesting a new name for the National Assembly

The Assembly Commission has now issued a consultation paper called “changing the name of the National Assembly for Wales” claiming that the Assembly is different now from what it was when it was set up in 1999 and should now be called a “parliament”...or something other than an “assembly” .

The Welsh Assembly building itself is called “Y Senedd ( Welsh for “Parliament“)   – but this monicker does not apply to the institution itself  – which is still called “The National Assembly for Wales” . (i.e. not even “The National Assembly of Wales”)

The Speaker – or “Llywydd” of the National Assembly for Wales, Elin Jones,  admits that “the people of Wales do not currently fully understand the role and powers of the National Assembly for Wales”. 

Elin Jones (Plaid Ceredigion)

Speaker Elin Jones (Plaid Ceredigion)

She says Assembly members agreed this year that “the Assembly should change its name to reflect its constitutional status as a national parliament”. [PDN Note: It’s actually nothing of the kind] 

The Assembly has suggested three snappy alternative names for itself ( a) “Parliament of Wales Senedd Cymru”, (b) “Senedd” or (c) “Welsh Parliament Senedd Cymru” 

[ PDN Note:  The word “Senedd” is a concocted Welsh version of  the Middle-English word  “Senate” , which comes from the Latin “Senatus” , which comes from the word “Senex”, which means “old-man” or “elder” (as in “senile“)]

In its quest to find a new name for itself, the National Assembly has now invited suggestions from local authorities – including Penarth Town Council – and the matter has now come before the council’s Policy and Resources Committee .

The Town Clerk Emma Boylen suggested the work of coming up with a new name be delegated to a so-called “Task and Finish” sub-committee of Penarth councillors.    The cost of changing the name, she said,  was  being officially estimated at between £40,000 and £150,000.

Cllr Philip Rapier (Labour St Augustines)

Cllr Philip Rapier (Labour St Augustines)

Cllr Philip Rapier (Labour St Augustines) said “I think it’s an absolute no brainer really  that it needs to be changed.” Cllr Rapier confessed to watching First Minister’s Questions on daytime tv and  said the assembly “behaves like a Parliament, they [ the AMs]  act like Parliamentarians to their credit on all sides. Somewhat delphically he added “I’m not sure about recent additions  – nothing to do with the ladies and gentlemen on our left [referring to the bloc of four Conservative councillors] but we must welcome them into the democratic family.” 

Cllr Rapier went on to say “I don’t think it does Wales any credit to contuinue with the presetn name”

Cllr Mark Wilson (Labour Stanwell)

Cllr Mark Wilson (Labour Stanwell)

Cllr Mark Wilson (Labour Stanwell) said “In the interests of sustainability and future generations  – if they run out of paper then they can call themselves whatever, but until they run out of paper they should keep their name as it is. It would save money”   . He did not want to see new stationery and business cards being printed whilst there were still stocks bearing the existing name. Cllr Wilson said “I don’t think Wales is the wealthiest country in the world . I’m quite happy and content for the name [ of the Assembly] to remain as it is. “

Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell) chairman of Penarth planning committee

Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell) chairman of Penarth planning committee

Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell) was he surprised that Cllr Rapier had not used his  thespian instinct to talk about roses by other names . He said   “Who the hell cares what it’s called as long as it does its job properly? …Personally I don’t care what it’s called”.

Cllr Clive Williams (Conservative Plymouth Ward)

Cllr Clive Williams (Conservative Plymouth Ward)

Cllr Clive Williams (Conservative Plymouth Ward) said he had once worked for a government department  which changed its name four times – each change incurring a considerable amount of waste paper. “We just had to bin the lot” – he said. Cllr Williams says the decision was up to the public – they call it the Assembly or Senedd . “Why bother to change it when it incurs tremendous cost . If it’s not broken why do you fix it”.

Cllr Tracey Alexander (Labour Cornerswell)

Cllr Tracey Alexander (Labour Cornerswell)

Cllr Tracey Alexander ( Labour Cornerswell) thought the money would be better spent in Penarth . She said “wouldn’t it be nice if they spent money on our budgets instead”.

Cllr Anthony Ernest (Conservative Plymouth Ward)

Cllr Anthony Ernest (Conservative Plymouth Ward)

Cllr Anthony Ernest (Conservative Plymouth Ward) “The real issue is that the Assembly itself clearly doesn’t have confidence in its own being. Any organisation that wants to change its name – for the third time in 16-17 years – doesn’t feel it has the confidence of the public .” Changing the name alone was not enough to establish confidence in a organisation –  You don’t establish than confidence by your actions, what you do , what you undertake and what you actually achieve for the people of Wales”   He agreed with Cllr Wilson that any change would involve huge cost and that money would be “far better put into use in places like Penarth where we would make good use of the money”.

At the conclusion of the discussion Cllr Mike Cuddy (Labour St Augustines)  – in the chair – said the council was only required to “tick things” on the consultation paper but did not reveal  exactly what name Penarth Council would propose for the Assembly.

 

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24 Responses to PENARTH COUNCIL PONDERS £150,000 NAME-CHANGE FOR ‘WELSH ASSEMBLY’

  1. Kevin Mahoney says:

    How about ‘Gravy McGravytrain’

  2. M.T. says:

    How do you say “Money Pit” or “Gravy Train” in Welsh?

  3. Harry says:

    I’m sure they inmates have escaped the asylum and are running the country
    Happy Christmas the few sane ones of us left

  4. Hugh says:

    Hafn a Clw?

  5. Brian says:

    For a £150,000 I could come up with a good few names but none would be printable!!! What a waste of public money!! It really is time that something was done to get rid of whatever they decide to call it!!

  6. Chris David says:

    Indeed a huge waste of time and money not to mention trees. When the paper runs out (I’m with Cllr Wilson on waste and resources) re name it the CCC. Cymru County Council- tell it as it is. More granding (sic) up by the dreamers. Do they have one of those bogus cabinets to sit in and fantasise?

  7. whatsoccurin says:

    Bit of a radical idea-how about LEAVING IT THE SAME!-it is quite an acceptable title-and if the name is changed, what about the AMs funding the costs via a deduction from their salary!?

  8. Frank Evans says:

    Drain the swamp and let the tide out in the bay

  9. Peter Petherick says:

    The people running our lives are once again, proven to be utter idiots to even consider the wasting of ordinary working peoples hard earned money. ….. £150,000 to change the name … they are nuts as well as being idiots.

  10. Lenny says:

    How many angels can dance on a needless point?

    • Peter Church says:

      None, without generous subsidies.
      Apply for a grant using “religious methodology through the medium of dance” fund.
      If one of your angels is disabled or a minority then you will be entitled to double funds.

  11. Peter Church says:

    The AMs and in particular the Labour ones are so out of touch with working folk.
    Maybe it because they have never generated any money in their lives, most careers move from quango to quango or some governmental body or another. None seem to have ever worked the private sector, this is what is wrong with Wales.
    The GVA figures speak for them selves.

    • whatsoccurin says:

      You are right-Jack Straw openly admitted it and now Stephen Kinnock and many others are doing the same. recently a journalist wrote that the Tories were afraid of Farage but most UKIP votes came from disgruntle Labour voters.

  12. snoggerdog says:

    i adael ?

  13. Paul says:

    Whats in a name?
    About £150,000 smackers, someone’s gonna get a bonus in their fat Christmas stocking, ho,ho, ho.

    Er no, its no laffin matter……………

  14. AK says:

    Estimated cost £40,000 – £150,000 !

    That is some wide estimate (but not unusual for a political guesstimate)

  15. Andrew Smith says:

    You noted, “[ PDN Note: The word “Senedd” is a concocted Welsh version of the Middle-English word “Senate” , which comes from the Latin “Senatus” , which comes from the word “Senex”, which means “old-man” or “elder” (as in “senile“)]”
    You skipped a step. The Middle-English word derives from Old French ‘senat’. The Welsh word ‘senedd’ is not a modern ‘concoction’ but is first attested in the 13th century in Brut Dingestow, where it refers to the Roman Senate. (Geiriadur Prifysgol Cymru is available online at http://geiriadur.ac.uk/gpc/gpc.html) Both Welsh and English derive these words from French. Often when we assume that Welsh has borrowed a word directly from English, each language has actually borrowed it from French.

  16. Chris David says:

    OK what about ambiwlans or popty microdon

  17. Andrew Smith says:

    The English ‘ambulance’ comes straight from French, so it’s just a loanword. The Welsh is just a respelling of the English according to Welsh orthography. ‘Popty’ goes back to the 14th century at least. ‘Microwave’ is recently ‘concocted’ from a Latinised Greek word and a genuinely English word. ‘Microdon’ uses ‘ton’, Welsh for wave, which softens to ‘don’ because it’s a compound word.

  18. Chris David says:

    You’re doing very well Mr Smith, very well. But I still think you’re struggling a bit and personally I wouldn’t be paying out the £000’s rec a year the WG do to “discover” these words 🙂

  19. Andrew Smith says:

    I’m no fan of expensive Welsh Government rebranding either. Just interested in pointing out false assumptions about the welsh language.

  20. Chris David says:

    Here’s one for you Mr Smith, what is wrong with the following sentence and where will you find it? “and more recently the location of a discovery of a new species of dinosaur!” It has a certain irony.

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