The Fourway newsagents shop in Glebe St seems destined to become a new Spar convenience store

These are the premises which the councillors were supposed to have been discussing – the  Fourways newsagents shop in Glebe St which is destined to become a new Spar convenience store

There was confusion in a meeting of Penarth Town Council’s Leisure and Amenities Committee this week when councillors were considering alcohol and music licensing-applications for a  “Spar” convenience store.

The new shop is coming soon to Glebe Street … but Glebe Street is a street with probably the most arcane and confusing numbering system in the whole of Penarth .

Spar's slogan is "There for you" - but Penarth Council didn't seem sure where "there" actually was

Spar’s slogan is “There for you” – but Penarth Council didn’t seem sure where “there” actually was.

The new Spar shop is to be at No 105 Glebe St (the premises of the newsagents Fourways)  – but committee members ,under the chairmanship of Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell ),  seemed less than confident about where  exactly Number 105 was.

Unhelpfully, the licensing application itself had referred only to “Spar Outlet” and made no reference to “Fourway ”  – which had the effect of sending committee members off on a wild-goose chase and ended up with them discussing  the wrong premises much further up the street. 

A puzzled Cllr Gwyn Roberts (Labour St Augustines ) frankly admitted  that he didn’t actually know of any Spar shop in Glebe St. [He was correct. Right now, there isn’t one]

These are the premises the councillors thought they were discussing - on the corner of Gloebe st and Salop St

These are the premises the councillors thought they were discussing – on the corner of Glebe St and Salop St

Helpful council officers rallied to his aid and advised him [incorrectly] that 105 Glebe St was “opposite the Albion Pub”, near the former Stems florists which in turn was “next to John Bruno”. It was concluded that the shop had to be the now-closed former newsagents on the corner of Glebe St and Salop St  [ In fact, it wasn’t. The correct  location is over  100 yards away].

Cllr Gwyn Roberts (Labour St Augustines)

Cllr Gwyn Roberts (Labour St Augustines)

Going on this (albeit wrong) information councillors discussed the potential impact on nearby homes .  Cllr Roberts  “I was thinking it’s a bit tight there and a bit more residential”   but he noted  there were other premises nearby which carried on business late into the night so he thought the committee should be careful not to be too restrictive.

Cllr Roberts also  noted that the alcohol licence being applied for appeared to begin each day a hour before the shop actually opened  – and appeared to continue for two hours after its stated closing-time. “Perhaps they’re expecting a queue!” – he said.

Cllr Philip Rapier (Labour St Augustines)

Cllr Philip Rapier (Labour St Augustines)

Cllr Phillip Rapier (Labour St Augustines) said that as far as he knew the only restriction on supermarkets – like Tesco and Waitrose – applied to a Sunday  and they could sell alcohol every day fr0m 08:00. Applications for music licences for supermarket radio stations were very common, he said – and licensing was required.

Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell)

Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell)

The chairman Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell), who was standing in for an  indisposed Cllr Rhiannon Birch (Labour Cornerswell, said he assumed there was no objection to the music licence application. Cllr Anthony Ernest (Conservative Plymouth Ward) however pointed out that this was a shop “in the middle of town”.

Cllr Martin Turner (Conservative Plymouth Ward)

Cllr Martin Turner (Conservative Plymouth Ward)

The shop is applying not only for an off-licence for alcohol sales, but also for a music licence so that it can relay recorded music from the retail chain’s own radio station – “Spar Radio”.Cllr Martin Turner (Conservative Plymouth Ward) queried whether there was to be an audio loudspeaker on the outside of the shop – and it was confirmed that the music (from the grocery chain’s own radio station Spar Radio) would be purely internal. The music would be played (in-store only) from 08:00 to 21:oo from Monday to Saturday and on Sundays from 08:00 to 19:00.

The alcohol licence (for off-the-premises consumption) would be from The new Spar store  will sell food, general groceries and alcohol and be open fr0m 05:00 to 21:00 on weekdays and   05:00 to 19:00 on Sundays.07:00 to 23:00 Monday to Saturday –  and from 08:00 to 21:00 on Sundays

The committee never did get around to establishing the correct location of 105 Glebe St (i.e. Fourway). The final decision on the licences for the new Spar shop ( where Fourways now is) will be made by the Vale of Glamorgan Council.



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  1. AK says:

    Under the 2011 Wales Local Government measure, there is a process whereby a town or community council can be disabled, referring back to the 1972 Local Government Act.

  2. Lm says:

    These people shouldn’t be in charge of anything!
    They are all senile!

  3. sjleworthy says:

    so ‘fourways’ is to become a ‘Spar’ ? do we know when?

  4. Chris David says:

    Wow, what a lot of talk about a non subject. No wonder they cant budget. Someone get a grip eh!

  5. Mary says:

    AK I’m with you and am sure lots more people from Penarth would be
    It’s one thing that the Councillors don’t know where the property they are discussing is, which is shameful, but also the fully paid up Council officers failed to know also – disgraceful.

  6. Reuben says:

    Well I certainly won’t be going there if they’ve got music blaring. Whatever happened to shopping with dignity?

    • Robert says:

      The same radio was playing in the old spar on Windsor Road I can’t remember anyone complaining then. But to shop with dignity go to Harrods.

  7. RetailGuru says:

    So scary that our town representatives were discussing the wrong property altogether…. they don’t know which property no.105 is? They didn’t have a site plan? Crikey….

  8. JH says:

    Hilarious.A quick search on google maps for 105 Glebe Street and it points straight to Fourways! It’s really not hard!

  9. Paul says:

    “but committee members ,under the chairmanship of Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell ), seemed less than confident about where exactly Number 105 was.”
    Well if they don’t know, what hope is there for the public.
    Specsavers and a map anyone..

  10. John64 says:

    OK, quite right to point the blame at all councillors but questions should be asked of the Chairman of the Planning Committee. Doesn’t he / she discuss the agenda with the officers to ensure the correct information is given to members of the council?

  11. Some might think these people on the Council don’t know what they are doing?, and some might think they don’t know their backside from their elbow?, and some might think they are not up to the job ? and some might think they are a liability?, and some might think they incompetent ? and some might think they are being paid money for old rope?. One thing I do know , comedy is not dead whilst these clowns are in charge, fancy discussing a shop that they have no idea of its location or size, I think that’s called putting the horse before the cart. But I have just had a thought , maybe its the Welsh way of doing things ??? build a viewing platform no one wants then ask later if its ok? Give permission for a shop premises to change its set up and find out which shop it was later. Yes that must be it? , its the ‘Welsh Way’ how silly of me not to realise it sooner!!!. Having traffic or housing problems in the area, no problem we build all the houses first then find a way for the residents to get out to work etc by seeing if we can build a few roads for them. Got a bottleneck on the road to Cardiff no problem we wont look into providing another route for some of the traffic but just let it get worse and worse , if you think its bad at the roundabout near Tescos just wait till we have built 500 houses at Sully and the apartment block close to this roundabout , ‘chock a block’ each rush hour comes to mind.

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