PENARTH MP DOUGHTY “DEEPLY FRIGHTENED” BY PRESIDENT TRUMP’S STATE VISIT

Stephen Doughty Labour MP for Cardiff South and Penarth tolkd MPs he was "frightened"

Stephen Doughty Labour MP for Cardiff South and Penarth told MPs he was “deeply frightened

The Labour MP for Cardiff South and Penarth Stephen Doughty was amongst several MPs taking part today in a debate held as a result of the on-line petitions tegarding the forthcoming State Visit of the President of the United States Donald Trump.

Doughty followed veteran Newport Labour MP Paul Flynn who had introduced the debate –  even though Flynn might have been expected to be attending a  simultaneous meeting of the Welsh Affairs Committee of which he is a member . The committee was discussing “Implications for Wales of the EU referendum result”. Observers said there had evidently been some adjustment of the respective priorities.

Stephen Doughty MP for Cardiff South and Penarth in today's debate

Stephen Doughty MP for Cardiff South and Penarth in today’s debate

Doughty told MPs  ” I feel deeply concerned and deeply frightened when I see the very principles on which the [American] constitution was developed by the founding fathers being put under question by the President, and indeed he has done so in recent days with attacks on the Press, attacks on the Judiciary, attacks on the religious freedoms and  attacks on those other parts of government which choose to disagree with him – and it’s for that that I am most worried and most fearful.”

Doughty also said today he was “pleased nearly 4,000 of my constituents in Cardiff South and Penarth”  agreed that President Trump should not be accorded a State Visit to the UK . [ PDN Note: The population of Cardiff South and Penarth is 107,455]

Putting the counter-argument - and supporting the State Visit was

Putting the counter-argument – and supporting the State Visit was Welsh MP Nigel Evans (Conservative Ribble Valley)

Welsh MP Nigel Evans (Conservative Ribble Valley) reminded members it was “the people in the middle of America, who felt left behind, who had been labelled – by Hillary Clinton – as “The Deplorables” , who had been ignored by administration after administration, and it was they who had decided to vote Donald Trump into the White House.

Evans criticised the “trolling” of Trump’s young son Barron,  and of the First Lady Melania Trump. “We talk about sexism and racism“- but the racism which Melania Trump had had to endure was appalling.    He said he did not want the House to be brought into disrepute as far as double-standards were concerned. Where had the demonstrators been when the Chinese Leader had come to Britain last year – he asked.

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26 Responses to PENARTH MP DOUGHTY “DEEPLY FRIGHTENED” BY PRESIDENT TRUMP’S STATE VISIT

  1. Louise C says:

    Good for Doughty. Very odd that right wingers here still support Trump after his first disastrous month in power.

  2. Mark Foster says:

    Doughty says: “I feel deeply concerned and deeply frightened when I see the very principles on which the [American] constitution was developed by the founding fathers being put under question by the President.”

    Here for Stephen Doughty and his 4,000 constituents is the relevant clause from the American Constitution U.S. Code § 1182 verbatim:

    (f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

    Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

    Doughty is an embarrassment. Why doesn’t he do some reading before he opens his mouth!

    • Louise C says:

      Wow! You mean all those federal courts were wrong! Maybe you should email them.

      • Mark Foster says:

        It was a politically motivated decision by liberal judges choosing to ignore the President’s rights under the law and it is the same decision the US Supreme Court would come to comprising as it does 3 Jews, 5 Roman Catholics and not one White Anglo Saxon Protestant. Obama was a protege of the Jews of Chicago and he wanted to appoint Merrick Garland who is also Jewish to the Supreme Court which would have made it 4 Jews and 5 Roman Catholics. They are appointed for life.

        The argument is that they make decisions without recourse to their religion or race which is of course baloney. This is why President Trump didn’t send the decision to the Supreme Court. Please don’t accuse me of anti-semitism over this for merely stating facts.

      • Ian Perry says:

        Mark Foster…. #AlternativeFacts

      • Louise C says:

        I’m not accusing you of anything. You state your case quite clearly. I think we all know where we stand. I hope less the 5% of UK citizens agree with you. I wish you were in a minority of 1.

    • Dr Ceinwen Sawyer says:

      Love your comments. Doughty is so twp he can’t work out scenarios, ramifications, possibilities. He can’t see that it is dialogue between USA and us that will bridge differences and strengthen the relationship.

  3. Paul says:

    Stephen Doughty Labour MP for Cardiff South and Penarth told MPs he was “deeply frightened“
    Why, does he think the President will overturn British laws and rules, which have been practiced for centuries.
    The Ethnic minorities are already doing that, with their own laws that do not recognise or adhere to UK law…..

  4. Ian Perry says:

    We await many opinions in this section, by people who have not done any research, not stopped to think before posting, and not made any further enquiries into this matter.

    It is clear that Trump should not have been offered a State Visit by Theresa May. The reason he has is due to the weaknesses of the May government – and perhaps a shared hatred with Trump of facts, figures and the environment.

    Regarding the comment by Nigel Evan MP regarding a lack of protest to the State Visit by Xi Jinping, here are some alternative facts from the fake news organisation, the BBC:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34582136

    • Dr Ceinwen Sawyer says:

      It is ‘clear’ to you but we ‘others’ who are indeed competent critical thinkers and researchers hold a different opinion to you. Methinks you do protest too much and it is not so much Trumps visit that offends you as it is that we others have the temerity to disagree with you!

      • Ian Perry says:

        Dr Sawyer,

        As a Senior ‘exercise science’ Lecturer at Cardiff Met, I would expect you to have done better research. On February 10, in reply to the opinions you have gained from tabloid press editors I replied to you – and pointed out how you have failed to understand the issue…

        You totally ignore that basic facts – that I have previously tried to point out to you…

        George W Bush (2003) and Barack Obama (2011) were honoured with state visits. Can you name the other US Presidents that have been honoured with full state visits by Queen Elizabeth II in her extremely lengthy reign?

        A full list of state visits to the UK are available here: https://www.royal.uk/state-visits-2
        Or on Wikipedia.

        Should the State Visit by Trump go ahead, it will only be the third such visit by a President of the USA in the past 65 years! In these 65 years, there has been much dialogue between USA and the UK.

  5. Jonny says:

    I feel deeply frightened when I see the shocking state of the NHS in Wales.

  6. Tim Hughes says:

    I think the important thing in determining whether to invite or not is the direction of travel the leader is demonstrating. Xi Jinping had been in office 3 years when he made his state visit and perhaps it was viewed he was moving China in the right direction on things like human rights. Donald Trump had been in office for less than a month and there were few signs of a positive directioin of travel on issues like torture.
    And why are the views of the Ribble Valley MP particularly relevant in Wales?

  7. George says:

    I must say I find this raft of 30/40-somethings who think they’re being really hip and leftie and intellectual going against Trump an absolute BORE. They don’t know what they’re talking about anymore than anyone else does but they seem to think it a badge of honour to post BAN TRUMP petitions on Facebook and talk about how disgusting it is in coffee shops. I do wish they’d stop trying to be ‘political’ and get on with ordering their kids’ clothing from Next. It’s excruciating.

    • Louise C says:

      I’m very glad younger people are getting interested in politics. Hopefully they will do things, like joining political parties, standing for election etc instead of just Facebooking about things.
      You only have to read the comments on here to know how important it is to get involved and make sure your point of view is heard.

      • Lewis says:

        Just because one has a point of view doesn’t always mean it’s worth hearing…

      • Osian says:

        As admirable as you may think this silly Facebook/coffee shop posturing is, Louise, it’s still painful and embarrassing to witness – like watching a poodle trying to walk on its hind legs. I agree with George – they should put a lid on it and stick to posting “selfies” on Instagram.

      • Louise C says:

        I genuinely do not understand how anyone can object to young people getting politically active. Unless, of course, you are worried that they will be voting differently to you.

      • George says:

        No, nothing that strategic I’m afraid, Louise. I just find it tiresome and embarrassing to listen to people (of any age) talking out of their rear end. Unless they come from the kind of household where the Developing World was discussed over pasta every evening, ‘getting politically active’ for ‘young people’ (to use that amorphous term) tends to mean following what is perceived as the ‘cool’ route to take, without engaging any intellect they may have by questioning. That’s how it is, no point trying to put a ‘get down wiv the kids’ gloss on it.

  8. Eddie says:

    Doughty is certainly making the most of his walk-on part re the world stage but in his bid to become the Guardian’s darling, will he remember the needs of the constituents who voted him in?

  9. Aaron says:

    Those banging on about Trump are the same crew who lamented Brexit and celebrated when Obama came to power. They think it makes them look “informed” but they’d be better off going for another run or watching the football.

  10. snoggerdog says:

    you sure that shouldnt read “deep fried”?

  11. RachieSue says:

    MP Nigel Evans–don’t be foolish about that “left behind” baloney! I grew up in the appallingly backwards Deep South of Louisiana. Those “left behinds” are more properly understood as “militantly ignorant.” As in, “We don’t know. We don’t WANT to know. And, by God, it is our RIGHT to keep our CHILDREN from knowing anything new.” Infant mortality rate of a third world country, regularly competing with Mississippi for the least per capita money spent on childhood education, etc. Yes, they should receive the respect and attention that would bring them into the full benefits of the evolved current world, But I warn you, there will be a contingent fighting that tooth and nail nevertheless. And this is who we are now allowing to drive the bus?

  12. Terry healey says:

    Doughty is an embarrassment to his constituents and his profession. Does he really think the whole world wants to hear his views when he doesn’t get his facts correct. I firmly believe these people protesting against his visit ( I’m not against them protesting by the way) are the same people who voted against brexit and have ulterior motives against our country leaving the EU.

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