PENARTH COUNCIL SUPPORTS PLAN FOR ULTRA-MODERN CLIFF PARADE HOUSE

The proposed new house to be built on the site of No.8 Cliff Parade, Penarth

Penarth Town Council’s planning committee has given its approval to a scheme to build a completely new ultra modern house in one of the most prominent positions on Penarth’s sea front.

The proposal is to demolish an existing house at No.8  Cliff Parade (last priced at £850,000) , and replace it with a completely new two-storey detached house with flat-roof terrace.

The existing £850,000 detached house No 8 Cliff Parade would be demolished

Both the existing No.8 and the proposed new house will stand just a few yards from the cliff edge – separated from it by only a narrow public footpath and grassed verge. Primary living space and master bedroom in the new house will be on the first floor. The kitchen will be on the ground floor.

Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell)

In the chair Cllr Neil Thomas (Labour Cornerswell) said the present house at 8 Cliff Walk “is not really of any great architectural merit “- but he thought the proposed new house reflected the other modernist building across the road [referring to Sea Roads  which is soon to be the home of footballer Joe Ledley – a house which  can’t actually be seen very well from Cliff Parade] . 

Cllr Thomas thought the proposed new house had a “similar kind of feel about it” to Sea Roads .

Cllr Clive Williams (Independent Plymouth Ward)

Cllr Clive Williams (Independent Plymouth Ward) said “In my opinion this is a bold ambitious, acceptable design which makes a statement on this site – which is in a very prominent position”.  He said he wished to move approval.

Cllr Anthony Ernest (Conservative Plymouth Ward) said “The problem I have with this is   that it’s replacing a relatively modern house. This is in a very prominent position – the last house on the left as you come up Cliff Parade and my feeling is that it’s going to stand out “. He said it was in the “rectangular and square mode” and felt it was a pity that it would not match in with  housing on that side .

Penarth Town Cllr Anthony Ernest

Cllr Ernest said that the other modernistic house “Sea Roads” [which stands opposite] was  “down in a dip – you really don’t see it at all. This house “ he said [referring to the proposed new dwelling] you would most definitely see”  . He urged “a degree of soft landscaping to take the hard edges  off the building” .

It was established that the site of the new house would be outside the architecturally sensitive Penarth Conservation Area.

Cllr Gwyn Roberts (Labour St Augustines)

Cllr Gwyn Roberts (Labour St Augustines) said he completely disagreed with Cllr Ernest. The original house at 8 Cliff Walk had been completed as a “very nice Swedish- style  dark-wood clad building – and, with apologies to the current owners , it is now hideous. It’s painted white, it’s got a Victorian style conservatory on it. It looks absolutely  dreadful”.

Cllr Roberts admitted that he had previously criticised the “well-known” architect of the new building – Chris Loyn – “for the development proposal at the Headlands. ”  On this occasion however Cllr Roberts said  “I don’t disagree with him . A radical design there [meaning Cliff Parade]  would be an absolute asset to the town . It replaces an eyesore with what is a striking-looking building. ”

Cllr Gwyn Roberts said he thought the boundary walls of the new No 8 Cliff Parade should not be “overly dominant” – a condition now attached to the council’s recommendation

Cllr Roberts said his only reservation was that the existing wooden fence was to be replaced by white rendered walls  – and he would not want those walls to be too high because pedestrians would be walking past it and “the footpath would be lower than the garden of the house”. Other than that, he seconded  Cllr Williams’s motion .

Cllr Mark Wilson (Labour Stanwell)

Cllr Mark Wilson (Labour Stanwell)  sought clarification about the structure on top of the flat roof of the house – was it a “roof garden?” he asked. It was established it was a “roof terrace”.  

Cllr Wilson thought the new house would be an improvement upon the existing building but had reservations about its  proposed height . “It’s going up by o.6 metres – effectively 2 feet. It’s a bit higher than I would like, but nevertheless overall I would support it   “

Cllr Martin Turner (Conservative Plymouth Ward)

Cllr Martin Turner (Labour Plymouth Ward) said “We’ve not come across any reasons why it shouldn’t go ahead. Whether we like it as a design or not , I don’t think there are any planning rules that are going to be broken” . He supported the application.

Cllr Neil Thomas in the chair confirmed that the design was a matter of taste and not a matter for the planning committee . “It certainly will be a statement building on the cliff top there, in a prominent position – but that, I believe, would be an asset.”

Cllr Rhiannon Birch (Labour Cornerswell)

Cllr Rhiannon Birch asked whether the quoted height of the building was to the roof or to the railings surrounding the “roof terrace”.

The Town Clerk Emma Boylen said it was to the roof of the dwelling. Cllr Thomas said it was to the top of the “lift shaft”.

Cllr Birch said she would not be supporting the proposal  – and as a result a vote was called for in which all councillors voted “for” except for Cllr Birch, who abstained.

The application is therefore being supported by Penarth Town Council with the proviso that the boundary walls are not “overly dominant”.

 

 

 

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35 Responses to PENARTH COUNCIL SUPPORTS PLAN FOR ULTRA-MODERN CLIFF PARADE HOUSE

  1. Chris David says:

    Design is subjective. Just a pity is doesn’t look a (lot) more attractive from the road side.

  2. JTR69 says:

    Good decision.

  3. Paul says:

    The old home is in need of up dating

  4. Jonny says:

    I bet the town’s graffiti gangs will have their spray cans out when they see those white rendered walls. 🙂

    • Gareth says:

      Indeed, a gift from the Gods.
      (Social housing is much needed in Penarth.)

      • Tom says:

        The walls will probably catch their eye when they’re boy-racing back and forth to the clifftop car park to do handbrake turns. Welcome to the neighbourhood.

      • Jonny says:

        Never mind, the next set of travellers to pitch up in the clifftop carpark will put a stop to those handbrake turns.

  5. Phil says:

    Why in the name of all that is good and holy would anyone would to build a house so close to the edge of cliffs known to be eroding?

  6. Mary Edwards says:

    Sea Roads was not designed by Maureen Kelly Owen as it was built just before the outbreak of the second world war, I think by the Gibbs family.

    • Sick of the same old politicians says:

      Certainly was the home of Dr John Gibbs and his wife Sheila. Many happy memories of Trinity Church Whitsun Treats there.

  7. Anne Greagsby says:

    Some people have more money than sense and want everybody to know it! I am shocked they are allowing a higher building than at present. I hope that long white walls wont attract those graffiti vandals and lets hope all this work won’t destabilise the cliff…

  8. Ivor says:

    I wonder how long it will be before that viewing fort on Penarth Head takes the cliff down. Fingers crossed it’s not before the elections.

  9. cllr clive williams MBE says:

    You and I are both “sick of the same old polititian says”, commenting without substance.
    As an old politician I add my tribute.
    This was indeed the home of the Late Dr John Gibbs, and wife Sheilla. We all remember him in his open top car, driving around Penarth. I was told, Mr Reg Hart (station Road Garage) was his chauffer when he went to London as an advisor to the Royal family, and on one occasion Dr John s belt broke and he had to borrow Reg s belt.. The Gibbs family have done so much for Penarth, and the church, the old Gibbs Home as I knew it as a boy, and other major buildings they once owned.
    My wife and I had the pleasure of staying at his son Johns cottages near Abergavenny, (a few years ago) where John allows people to camp on the river bank, as did Dr John, to assist the church.
    I have always wondered why there is no recognition ( I am aware of) for every thing Dr John and his family have done for Penarth A true family of gentlemen and ladies who I consider a privilage to have known.

    • Tim says:

      Who’d have thought a story on the proposed Real Housewives of Cheshire house on the clifftops would bring forth talk of broken belts and camping on the river bank? 🙂

  10. Richard says:

    I must say it’s always a pleasure to hear those authorities on architectural aesthetics, Messrs Thomas and Roberts, hold forth about good design.

  11. Paul says:

    The epitome of bad taste.
    Its an own goal, with the boot on the other foot..

    • Jonny says:

      Nicely put but people seem to think they’re being tasteful.
      Probably will be a footballer who buys it….

  12. Fishhenge says:

    What percentage of it will be social housing?

  13. Monty says:

    I rather think a planning application should be decided on the basis of planning regulations, not individual opinions of aesthetics, supposition and speculation or how other people choose to spend their money.

  14. Chris David says:

    Well there was me thinking whilst buildings have to meet regs it is all about aesthetics. The aesthetic building(s) complimenting when possible their aesthetic surroundings.

    • Monty says:

      All of which are embraced within planning regulations. My target was the ill informed tittle tattle which is often characterised within discussion here.

      • Tim says:

        Lucky we have you to pull us into line, Monty, though anyone as dull as us lot might wonder what you’re doing here with all this low-brow “ill-informed tittle-tattle’. 🙂

      • Monty says:

        If only, if only Tim. It’s clearly a lost cause but a source of low level amusement nonetheless.

      • Lindsey says:

        Ar, Monty, I see you’re sneering again? Do give over, it was funny the first time but now? zzzzz. Or am I not allowed to mention it more than once for fear it offends your fast-moving intellect?
        Fancy you coming on here to point and laugh at the plebs’ chatter when you might be doing something so much more constructive. Might your considerable brain be exercised on the parlous state of PACL, for example, or would that be too much of a challenge?

      • Monty says:

        You have no idea what I’m involved in, Lindsey. Surely you don’t begrudge me a little light entertainment in my occasional quiet moment. Must dash, got the world to sort out.

  15. Anne Greagsby says:

    Yet another Chris Loyn brutalist modern design that he continues to try to foist on Penarth!

    • Monty says:

      Oh dear, Ms Greagsby, your list of dislikes is so long and so tiresome. Why not try to win us over instead of reinforcing a stereotype?

      • Lindsey says:

        Off you go, Monty, we’d hate you to miss The Archers.

      • Monty says:

        Ahhh, a different logo Lindsey. Several identities then.

      • Lindsey says:

        Didn’t think you’d have enough time on your hands to scrutinise the avatars of tittle-tattlers, Monty.
        Didn’t you say you had the world to sort out? Or crimes to solve on the Orient Express?
        If you’re struggling to fill your day, might you turn your attention to PACL’s running of the Pier cinema and tell us your opinion of the mess they’ve made?
        I feel you’re wasted here, in the depths of a four-day-old discussion about a new house on the clifftops. Anyone would think you were shy. 🙂

      • Monty says:

        You make my own point very eloquently Lindsey, a four day discussion about someone’s house. I’m sorry if my contributions to the blog have irritated you, I saw them as a fairly gentle mickey take of some of the righteous indignation about pretty minor matters. I’m happy to bring things to a close.

  16. Chris David says:

    Yes well its subjective- and functional! Not all to my taste- I’d label it Industrial Suburb-bubble but within reason its up to those paying. Still if I ever need new expensive offices in a town peripheral aspect (hey I’m Nicki Page) then I’ll get in touch.

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