The concrete-filled rusty oil-drum that greets bus passengers arriving at the Penarth Heights stop

One of Penarth’s most endearingly-casual bus stops – a scaffolding pole thrust into a rusty oil-drum – may not now make it into the Vale of Glamorgan Council’s architectural heritage list of “County Treasures” .

The unique oil-drum bus stop. There’s nothing else quite like it anywhere in Penarth

The wonky, “distressed-look“,  oil-drum bus-stop – which serves the upmarket area of Penarth Heights and High St Penarth – and is within the architecturally-sensitive Penarth Conservation Area   –  is not to be conserved.

It’s now emerged the rusty drum is to be  replaced by a brand new, “proper” bus pull-in with all the required health and safety trimmings .

However the plans for the new bus stop mean an awkward decision has to be made by local residents.

The Labour controlled Vale of Glamorgan Council – having learned somewhat late in the day that it needs to consult Council-Tax Payers about such things – has dispatched letters to everyone living in the vicinity to ask them what they think about the exciting new plans.

The council says the new “permanent” bus stop will comprise :-

  • Bus Stop Protection road markings,
  • No Waiting at Any Time’ parking restrictions,
  • Raised kerbs
  • A bus-stop “flagpole” complete with “flag and timetable case”.

Local residents are being asked to tell the council what they think about the plans by April 13th. Anyone who doesn’t respond will be deemed to be in favour of the upgrade plans.

The total amount of cleared space to be taken up by the new bus stop will be a stretch of about 50 metres comprising yellow lines & bus stop markings. Those parked cars  won’t be allowed to stay where they are now.

However not everyone is that keen on the plans for the new bus stop – not least because of the total amount of roadside space it’s going to take up .

On this adapted Vale of Glamorgan Council plan the total area where parking will be banned is marked in red

Local  residents who normally park their cars in the area have now calculated that the total amount of roadside real-estate required by the new bus stop –  and associated yellow lines as indicated by the council’s map – could be as much as  50 metres (enough kerb space to park 13 Minis) .

If the new bus stop arrives, all  the cars that are currently parked there – including Cab 64 taxis – will have to go somewhere else. Some local residents are already pointing out that the new bus stop will mean that they will no longer be able to park anywhere near their own homes.

“Safle Bws” means “Bus Stop” . Cardiff Buses 95A and 95B don’t operate on Sundays but the “no-waiting” will apply 7 days a week

In the past however the Vale of Glamorgan Council has quashed such protests  – saying  it’s under no obligation to provide motorists with free car parking on public roads.

One resident says however that the subtext of that council policy is – in effect –  that anyone who doesn’t have a garage,  or a private driveway,  should not be allowed to own a car – and that’s not a very egalitarian policy.

Meanwhile the council  is at pains to point out that it’s actually subsidising the buses that now stop at Penarth Heights with a view to encouraging the use of public transport in preference to private cars.

Currently the bus services that use the stop don’t run in the evenings or on Sundays but the parking restrictions would still apply. There’s no intention of installing a similar stop on the other side of the road.

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  1. I hope the vales treatment of a national treasure as evidenced doesn’t extend to the pavilion pier another treasure

    • Philip Rapier says:

      So this is where the Section 106 Money went for St Pauls Church on an expensive Art Installation Bus Stop.!!
      More seriously just yesterday Crest Nicholson Shareholders Voted against the Directors Bonuses at the AGM and worse still the CONSTRUCTION ENQUIRER (13 March 17) Reported HMRC and a Learned Judge didn’t agree with their Avoidance of Stamp Duty Land Tax Scheme-
      . from the Article———–

      ——-“A tax tribunal has ruled against a Stamp Duty Land Tax (SDLT) avoidance scheme used by Crest Nicholson.

      The house builder will now have to pay the £1.3m it owes and the test case could see other firms facing a £65m bill.

      HM Revenue and Customs challenged the “artificial and complex arrangements” made by Crest Nicholson to avoid paying SDLT on three purchases of development land near Rochester in Kent for a total of more than £32m.

      The avoidance scheme tried to use the transfer of property between two sub-companies to avoid SDLT.

      HMRC said the tribunal decision is likely to have an impact on more than 700 other cases, potentially protecting £65m of taxpayers’ money.

      Crest Nicholson argued that HMRC didn’t have a legal right to make assessments of the tax due because it was out of time to do so, and that it had not carried out its assessments properly.

      The judge disagreed with these arguments and found HMRC had acted correctly throughout.

      HMRC’s Director General, Customer Compliance, Jennie Granger, said: “This decision makes it clear that setting up artificial and complex arrangements involving sub-companies to avoid paying tax doesn’t work.

      “It’s another important success that’s protected taxpayers’ money. This win sends a clear message that tax avoidance is expensive and self-defeating.”———————————–

      • June Davies says:

        What are you on about man? You concern me with your rants on here that never have anything to do with the topic being discussed

      • Freddie says:


      • Peter Church says:

        You have only just realised this!!

        Anyway back to the price of coffee and the neo liberal slave drivers who violate the social norms in horticulture while the workers of the world unite, brothers

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    Pier Pavilion our treasure also

  3. Jane says:

    Support this, and the reduction in parking. The larger vehicles parking there now restrict visibility for pedestrians, especially little ones!! They need to provide a pedestrian crossing for the children going to Albert Road school from Penarth Heights as a priority! I’ve been writing to the Road Safety people at the Vale since my grandchildren moved there nearly four years ago!

    Jane Hydon

    Sent from Jane & Ian’s iPad


    • Rhodri Davies says:

      Unfortunately Jane, the biggest danger to children on this road isn’t from parked cars but from buses stopping on a blind corner. This makes it extremely dangerous for passing cars in both directions and for anyone hoping to cross the road. So as well as the huge parking headache that already exists on High Street, any bus stop in the proposed position is an accident waiting to happen.

      • Tim says:

        I completely agree with Rhodri Davies.
        I can’t think of a more absurd place to position the bus stop – it’s a really awful corner.
        It absolutely is an accident waiting to happen.

    • Dan says:

      The grandchildren must be old enough to cross the road themselves now then.

    • Matt says:

      This is a very nasty stretch for pedestrians and drivers alike. Parking over junctions causes lots of blind spots, coupled with the inappropriate speeds and/or lack of attention of some motorists.

  4. Taffy says:

    Who has a mini anymore? More likely gas guzzling four by fours!

    • Tom says:

      I thought the mini was quite popular these days? It appears to be the car of choice for middle-aged women and spoiled teenagers still at home with their parents.

    • Peter Church says:

      You mean like Vaughan Gething’s large 4X4 BMW who live close by?

  5. Clive James says:

    Yet another waste of public money.

  6. Matt says:

    Good riddance to the oil drum bus stop – there are already enough eyesores round here: cracked and dangerous pavements, knackered roads, endless Crest signage, flagpoles, litter, fly tipping, ugly Crest Billy boxes, St Paul’s derelict etc. The place is a mess.

    Despite the section 106 money, it looks like none of it will be spent round here apart from the new playground on Plassey Square.

    However, there’s far too much dangerous parking on the junction, which shouldn’t be allowed to continue. It’s same all over Penarth though, probably because there is zero enforcement.

    • Philip says:

      You talk about dangerous parking on the junction.
      What do you think the bus is going to be doing.
      Whacking great big vehicle blocking out vision when it stops.
      Whoever came up with citing the thing there needs their head examining.
      Why do they even need one?
      Nobody uses that service. It’s just an affectation.

    • Sophie says:

      Has Plassey Square’s Poison Playground opened yet or is it still barricaded?

      • Matt says:

        It is still barricaded but the fences keep blowing over. Not seen any workers there for ages.

  7. Seth says:

    I don’t why the Vale pretends to seek the opinion of local residents.
    We all know they do exactly as they please and this will be built.
    How could any of the neighbours know if the others have objected?
    Expect confirmation from the council that the project has been warmly received and construction starts tomorrow.

  8. Richard says:

    It must be doing the Vale’s head in that the Penarth Heights area is awash with parking spaces for residents. Free parking both sides of the road and in some cases – like Paget Terrace – only one row of houses.
    Look at Plassey Square – spoilt-for-choice, supermarket standard facilities capable of accommodating several vehicles per household, motor homes, caravans, the works.
    Can’t see that lasting – people who pay vast amounts of council tax should not be able to park their car within a reasonable distance of the house.
    Wonder how the Vale will put a stop to it. White water rafting centre? Lidl? Or a new leisure facility to replace the Cogan tennis courts turned health hub?
    As it stands, you can actually see one metre in front of you without catching sight of concrete or bricks and we can’t have that.
    Doubtless, that fearsome combination of ruthless, grasping watchfulness at the Vale is on to it.
    The bus stop is only the beginning.

  9. Liz says:

    What on earth is the Vale Council thinking? With the parking situation in the area already at breaking point, taking away this many car parking spaces will leave local people with no chance of parking near their homes. When the Council approved Penarth Heights plans, they assured us residents that it wouldn’t impact parking – that was a downright lie, and the problems quickly escalated. The bus stop is dreadfully positioned on a blind bend – why not put it at Arcot Triangle where they’d only need a bus length (instead of a greedy 50m) there’s a straight, clear stretch of road and ample room for a proper bus shelter?

  10. Alan says:

    Absolute joke – a bus stop 50 metres in length?!! Are they also planning to move Cardiff Bus HQ there as well? Ridiculous. I live in the area and, take my word for it, only a tiny number if people use this new service. There is absolutely no need to carve up Harbour Road for a bus stop. A mind-blowingly stupid idea.

  11. Anne Greagsby says:

    If you think the bus stop proposal will affect parking for residents there is much worse to come. Labour’s LDP requires ‘bus priority measures’ along the route from Lavernock Rd to the Barrage, from a 500 place Park-&-Ride at Cosmeston.
    Their route goes up Westbourne Road, then Stanwell Road to the roundabout, through the town centre down to turn up High Street, then via Paget Road and Docks Hill to the barrage. An alternative route (89-bus) via Clive Place and St Augustines Cres has been dropped, as has that via the Cefn Mably (94-bus).
    Bus priority means deleting car parking from the library up to the Clock and in Windsor Road shopping centre, so that buses are no longer subject to the delays from parking manoeuvres and congestion there. Much on-street parking in Westbourne Rd and near the High St-Royal triangle-Paget Rd will be deleted too.
    The 500 Park&Ride places will be quickly taken up by new people in the dormitory suburbs of upper Cosmeston (576 new dwellings) and Sully (600 new). The Vale Council might argue existing residents in lower Penarth and Sully would use it too.
    Super Fast Coaches hammering through Penarth
    But Labour claims it will reduce congestion significantly, at the Merrie Harrier and Barons Court junctions, so expect plans to increase 500 to 1,000 or 2000 spaces And to grab ’city-deal’ funds for super rapid transit ‘metro’ buses, hammering through Penarth.
    Councillors reticent—why have Lis Burnett and Peter King not informed us and sought Penarth people’s support— since they are previous and present cabinet members responsible for transport and the LDP and both representing Penarth wards?

  12. snoggerdog says:

    my wife & i are part of the tiny number,we got absolutely drenched last monday waiting for this hated bus on a inconvenient bus stop can we have an even more inconvenient bus shelter,i do apolagise for not having three cars, but most of the time i seem to have xl suv half on the pvement outside of my residence,but if you cant cook,youve got to eat out (pilot gastro pub)one good thing about that is you can let the kiddiwinks loose over the other side road & then have a REALLY good drink because we dont seem to have enforcement in penarth any more,one thing about said pilot i never see anyone i know going in or out of there,& my son & i know a large swathe of penarthians even if just by sight. & yes i DO mean you!

    • Alan says:

      Get a grip. Nobody has said they hate the bus and nobody has said the bus stop is inconvenient. We are querying why 50 metres of Harbour Road has to be carved up for a bus stop.

  13. Dizzydeb says:

    This is so obviously a crazy idea! Why not just move the bus stop and spend the money on cleaning up and improving this area. Yellow lines are urgently required around these corners so motorists can have some chance of seeing what’s coming. Also to stop inconsiderate idiots with big white vans parking right on the corners.

  14. Max Wallis says:

    Right on, Alan! A build-out on this wide roadway takes minimal car-parking and is easiest for buses. Also gives space for a bus-shelter, much needed in this wind-exposed location. The Vale’s own spec for bus-stops includes dropped kerbs and road-crossing (for wheelchair and buggy pushers). Let’s insist on the Council roadmen include those too, as our Vale Cllrs won’t with both Burnett and Roberts quitting.

    • Anne Greagsby says:

      Belfast is way ahead of VoG! Inconsistency is the name of the game here. New red and white bus stop signs popping up in Penarth. There are few bus shelters and where there are there are convenient information boards for all over 6’6″…..

  15. Kate says:

    Thanks PDN for highlighting this – it’s a real shocker. The elected representatives who pushed this through are now pushing off, leaving us with an over-subsidised and under-used bus route eating up high-demand street space as well as money that should be put to much better use in this neglected area. The Council says “hopefully” it will encourage people to ditch their cars – really? Are people going to choose to wait around in the rain on Penarth’s windiest corner, or hop in their car? The bus stop is in a terrible position – as well as being on a blind bend in a busy road, there’s nowhere to put a basic shelter for passengers. So badly thought out, it beggars belief.

  16. Max Wallis says:

    Create a pavement build-out for a bus shelter and a zebra crossing on a ‘table’ to the Arcot Triangle surely meets all points. And helps to abate the speeding problem. The highways people object, I believe. to the bus restarting across the traffic to turn right into Arcot St. But that’s little compared with the deficiencies in their ‘permanent’ skin-flint proposal.

  17. AK says:

    Perhaps they are planning to use bendy buses in Penarth.

    I remember the days when a bus stop was actually situated in a layby, allowing other traffic to pass freely. Now they just stop in a painted square on the highway, blocking traffic.

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