NEW TRANS-BARRAGE PENARTH-TO-CARDIFF BUS SERVICE IS BEING STUDIED

A new study is to be carried out into a trans-barrage diesel bus services linking Penarth and Cardiff Bay

The controversial scheme to run a diesel bus service from Penarth across the Cardiff Bay Barrage has been given fresh impetus.

The Vale of Glamorgan Council is to “Further the feasibility study to get buses over the Cardiff Bay Barrage” in collaboration with Cardiff Council.

Green campaigners say that running a diesel bus across the Barrage – a route currently used only by cyclists and walkers – makes a complete farce of the council’s much trumpeted “green” credentials

No passengers at all used the Council-Tax-Payer-subsidised Cosmeston Country Park Bus service last year

Fresh studies are also to be undertaken of a “Cosmeston Park and Ride Facility” which would enable motorists to park their cars at  the Cosmeston Country Park and travel into Penarth and Cardiff by bus

It’s envisaged that Section 106 money [ cash extracted from housing developers in “mitigation” of the damage being done by their schemes to local communities]  – will be used to develop the proposed new bus services.

The council’s study  will also “Consider the provision of weekend and bank holiday
bus service for Penarth and undertake a review of its success.” [ It was revealed last month that  no passengers at all alighted or boarded a bus at Cosmeston Country Park and the service was a complete waste of taxpayers’ money.]   

 

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29 Responses to NEW TRANS-BARRAGE PENARTH-TO-CARDIFF BUS SERVICE IS BEING STUDIED

  1. AK says:

    If it is a rush hour commuter service, it’s surely a good thing.

    If it is something more, I will man the barricades!

    • Philip Rapier says:

      This is what happens when you adopt the shamefully arrogant attitude that traffic queues and pollution outside the Vales’s schools inevitably ruining our children’s respiratory health are “a fact of modern life”. .
      Here are the environmentally friendly real facts of modern life.
      A 22 foot Electric Bus Costs £315000- The Welsh Government has Grant Money waiting.
      A Charging Station £50000-
      Journey Cycle = 125 Miles per charge per 22 foot Vehicle
      The Barrage is only three-quarters of a mile across
      Costs re-couped over 12 years

      • Philip Rapier says:

        A congestion charge would be very helpful on Windsor Road at a greatly reduced rate for Penarth residents of course.

    • PR says:

      A congestion charge? You mean a tax on people commuting to work? It wouldn’t change anyone’s behaviour because in the real world companies tell you when to turn up for work and don’t let you decide.

  2. rodtharrod says:

    I’m trying to figure out just how big this Mega-Park-and-ride at Cosmeston Park will be to accommodate 500 park-and-rider Mercedes, Audis and 4 x 4s from the new developments all eager to park their pride-and-joy plus all the thousands of day-trippers the Council is hoping to attract to their ‘commercialized’ Cosmeston Park. But believe me, the Vale Council have every intent. We in Dinas Powys were laughing at the thought of where – along the A4055 – they were going to put ‘Bus Priority Routes’ that are mentioned several times in the Deposit Local Development Plan.Then I was told it had nothing to do with Dinas Powys but was on the stretch of the A4055 between the Merrie Harrier to Baron’s Court…presumably to continue over the Bay barrier. Yes, the idea reallyis to spend a fortune cutting into the hillside to widen this stretch to accommodate all these diesel buses from Cosmestion and elsewhere. Without a major improvement to the Merrie Harrier junction (including the no-filter turning from the A4055 up to Llandough).Totally unproven; totally unrealistic but that doesn’t stop the current Vale Council and their all-powerful ‘devolved power’ officials in the Vale.

  3. JTR69 says:

    a mono-rail please.

  4. Peter Church says:

    Sorry cyclists, you’ll have to share this road with buses.

  5. Penileaks says:

    About time the barrage was used for a commuter service, but why suggest that the vehicle is diesel powered, what is wrong with an electrically powered bus service from the town centre and/or Cosmeston, to the bay and possibly up to the top end of Lloyd George Avenue and back ?
    Such busses are in constant use at Schiphol Airport and are readily available and i’m sure that a rush hour only service, say between 07.30 – 09.30 and 16.00 – 18.00, would be quite popular and help relieve the congestion that certain areas of Penarth suffer at those times.

    • penarthblog says:

      As you rightly say, electrically powered buses are an option, such vehicles are used in many airports and cities around the world and as you rightly also say, it could help relieve, in part, other roads in the town. There is mention of a new express bus route from Cosmeston through Penarth to Cardiff as part of the Local Development Plans for the Vale Council which has been criticised on here for many reasons. It demonstrates to me the need for a serious debate about public transport, road and house building and the effects such things have on our communities.

  6. Mr Greenall says:

    Is this an April Fool joke?

  7. Michael says:

    You can spend on barrage bus services until they’re coming out of your ears but the truth is you’ll still get multiple queues going out of Penarth each morning and back again because people insist on using their cars.
    I’ve seen them, morn and night, one person per car with HEART FM going, smug and selfish in their own little world.
    The only people likely to use this service are the pensioners with a free bus pass.

    • PR says:

      If public transport only goes to Cardiff centre then unless you work there you have no choice but to use the car – that’s not selfish or smug.

  8. snoggerdog says:

    is everyone on the bus going to wait patiently while the lock bridges open for up to 18/20 mins in the summer because the sailors have the historical right of passage not the road users or are they going to change the law/rules,much to the sailors delight.

  9. E Vole says:

    One of the remaining few places where children can learn to ride a bike in relative safety during the day. Traffic would be the end of a family day out on the bareage.

  10. Marcus says:

    I am sorry to disagree, we live in Petrel Close and used the bus service many times last summer along with friends to travel to Cardiff and Cardiff Bay! How can it be reported this service was not used?

  11. Steve says:

    This is such a dumb idea, I don’t even know where to begin.

    It is a costly exercise that no-one will use. It requires infrastructure changes, like the ones suggested for Stanwell Road, near the library, that none of the motoring addicts want.

    Who is it even aimed at?

    Commuters who want to travel to Cardiff, who work close to the city centre and so don’t have far to go the other end and don’t need the use of their car during the rest of the day, while it clogs up the car park of a popular country park? I doubt there are more than a handful.

    While enabling a few of these people to travel (if indeed there are any) you risk putting off the ever growing number of people who choose to cycle on Cardiff’s one and only properly segregated, properly safe route. The amount of riders I see everyday is increasing and is becoming more diverse. Some mornings I only pass female riders. I can’t see all of them putting up with being overtaken by a large bus.

    Plus this is at direct odds with the Wales Active travel act, which is still in its infancy and the VOG have yet to reveal its plans (if they have any ..). Oh and of course the bus route won’t be able to run at all during the 3 or 4 weeks during the summer / autumn when the barrage at the Cardiff end is chock full of summer festivals and the sailing events that require diversions for even the cyclists.

    A much better and thoroughly cost beneficial scheme would be to provide better cycle facilities through Penarth town centre to the barrage. This far cheaper infrastructure could encourage way more people than a bus route, lessening vehicle trips plus would benefit the town centre as an attraction for riders on leisure rides at the weekend, who would benefit the town itself.

    As the oft quoted rule goes.. for every £1 of public money spent on cycling, the funded schemes provide £5.50 worth of wider social benefit.

    A bus route will never achieve that, it would only ever be a cost.

    And yes, I am well aware that not every one can / will cycle, blah blah. Even a simple social media run car pooling scheme could reduce more journeys than this park and ride bus scheme.

  12. Tim Hughes says:

    This is the future, cycling and public transport. The cycle ways are so much better now than they used to be when I cycled into Cardiff to work. The park and rides will be completed with a good rapid bus service and then a suitable congestion charge set at the right level to make it all work properly. Five years later everyone will wonder why they ever took their cars to work.

    • PR says:

      How many times does this have to be said? No everyone who lives in Penarth works in cardiff. It’s not the future, it’s assuming everyone has the same circumstances as you. Introduce rubbish like this and five years later everyone will wonder why the town is empty.

      • Tim Hughes says:

        If they work in Penarth why do they all want to drive into Cardiff everyday at 8 and return at 6..

      • PR says:

        What about the people who live here and work in Swansea, port talbot, porthcawl, Bridgend, Llantrisant, Merthyr Tidfyl, Newport, Usk, Monmouth or Bristol? These are all considered commutable from penarth, and a few cycle paths just aren’t going to resolve the problem that jobs and people are very separated in South Wales. People don’t always want to move to where companies are being encouraged to set up by wag incentives.

      • Tim Hughes says:

        If you work in “Swansea, port talbot, porthcawl, Bridgend, Llantrisant, Merthyr Tidfyl” you would join the A4232 at the end of the Cogan Spur and very few vehicles do.
        “Cardiff sees its working population swell the most during working hours, with the number working in the authority 29.2% higher than the number of workers who live there, as the city sees 79.9% of workers who live there working in the capital, (134,500) and with 38.2% of those working there commuting in, 83,100 extra workers.”
        A system that ensures people who live in the Vale but work in Cardiff do not use their cars will benefit all the people you refer to as the roads will be more free for their commutes.

  13. Dave says:

    The segregation between bikes, walkers, runners, scooters, skates, hired quads cycles etc is already crackers. On a busy day all this ‘traffic’ swarms all over the place, presumably the buses will have some sort of scoop on the front to plough the other users out of the way.

  14. Max Wallis says:

    The VoG aim to ““Further the feasibility study .. via the Barrage” was in their 2016 plan for this year till end March. Cardiff told me (FoI request**) nothing doing. The Arup Feasibility Report, April 2015 “Cardiff Bay Barrage Transport Link” discussed inter-leaving buses with operation of the locks. But not the ‘bus priority measures’ through Penarth prescribed in the LDP. Since the route chosen is up Westbourne Rd, Stanwell Rd to the Clock roundabout, then through the Windsor Rd shops and up High Street, the feasibility of removing on-street parking for rapid-transit ‘metro’ buses would be pretty important. Unsurprising that – in a pre-election year – the Vale Council did nothing.

    ** The report was disclosed under https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/c/e2u1is8gmy52zw6sr0r but it may be easier to find the unredacted report among the LDP documents.

  15. whatsoccurin says:

    The barrage walk and cycle way is a bit of a hidden gem which many Cities would be proud of. A bus route I think would spoil it and not be that well used, so you could have empty buses waiting at the Barrage gates whilst boats go through. I find it difficult to understand transport policy-in the Bay I frequently see Bendy Buses going across the lock gate-these often have two or three passengers-I have NEVER seen them anywhere near full-so why the cumbersome bendy buses-why not an ordinary single decker or a mini-bus.?

  16. 92 and a social butterfly says:

    I enjoy the little white train very much especially when they go fast and play The Beatles.

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