BARRAGE CYCLISTS ARE “DANGEROUS FOR PEDESTRIANS” – SAYS CARDIFF BAY COMMITTEE

Irresponsible cyclists from Penarth photographed deliberately going the wrong way around the roundabout before heading onto the Cardiff Bay Barrage – where they are terrifying pedestrians

The Vice-chair of the Cardiff Bay Advisory Committee has now formally raised concerns about the continuing dangers posed to pedestrians by cyclists using the Cardiff Bay Barrage.

The Cardiff Harbour Authority has already reported a number of incidents in which speeding cyclists have collided with pedestrians on the barrage – but it seems the conduct of the cyclists continues to be a problem.

Many speeding cyclists don’t have bells on their bikes to warn pedestrians of their approach

The cyclists not only monopolise the trans-barrage roadway (which is barred to motor traffic) but also use the narrow pedestrian path across the barrage – forcing pedestrians to get out of their way.

It’s now been revealed that at the meeting of the Cardiff Bay Advisory Committee on March 14th the committee’s Vice-Chair, Mrs C Dimond, ” raised concerns in relation to the number of cyclists that used the Barrage in an unsafe manner which was proving particularly dangerous for pedestrians.”

Committee members noted that notices were already displayed around the Barrage. It was it was queried as to whether anything further could be done in order to force cyclists to behave with more consideration and act more responsibly.

Cardiff Harbour Authority officers said the pedestrian path had been widened in some parts to 4 metres – but they will “look into any further ideas that could be presented.”

BARRAGE CYCLE HIRE SCHEME

Paradoxically the pro-cycling, Labour-controlled, Cardiff Council is rolling out a “cycle hire scheme” across the city. As part of this, 8 hire-bikes will be installed at the Cardiff Bay Barrage – probably at a site  adjacent to the car park shelter at the Penarth end of the Barrage .

The barrage hire-bikes would be attached to a frame and can be ridden to any other bike-hire location in the city

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44 Responses to BARRAGE CYCLISTS ARE “DANGEROUS FOR PEDESTRIANS” – SAYS CARDIFF BAY COMMITTEE

  1. FlowerPower says:

    I regularly cycle and walk across the barrage. My most common experience is of people walking in the cycling zones. There are inconsiderate cyclists too and crossing the roundabout the wrong way is common. Did experience a driver who turned directly up dock hill from the marina without going around the roundabout- extremely dangerous. Bike hire scheme is a great move – roll on the merger with cardiff

    • Brickie says:

      As a fellow cyclist and pedestrian, I wholeheartedly agree with the comments of FlowerPower. One of the worst hazards is dog walkers allowing their dogs to wander freely from lane to lane on an extended lead.

    • Frank Evans says:

      Every cyclist I see goes the wrong way round that roundabout.
      Cyclists should obey the rules of the road and give way to pedestrians
      Inconsiderate lot!

    • Philip Rapier says:

      Walking is far more healthy than cycling but it can be more dangerous on a shared cycle path. There are on average. 50 Pedestrian/ Cycle Serious Accidents per year around 5 of these are fatal for the Pedestrian .
      However the undemocratic secretive SUSTRANS and the Council continue to deny this.

      “Walking directly benefits the brain as a result of the impact of feet on the ground boosting blood flow, research has shown.Plodding feet send pressure waves through arteries that modify and increase the brain’s blood supply, scientists have discovered.
      The team used ultrasound to study blood circulation in both sides of the brain in 12 healthy young adults while resting upright and walking.
      Walking was found significantly to increase blood flow to the brain. While the effect was less dramatic than when running, it was greater than that seen during cycling, which involves no foot impact.”
      Birmingham Live 28 4 17

      • Ralph says:

        Hardly a scientific study with just 12 participants.

      • Penarthur says:

        Yes. Well. It takes me about 15-20 minutes to cover the 4.5 miles I cycle to work. Walking? Not even worth thinking about. I get enough of that with the dog.

      • Confuseddeanus says:

        And cycling is better than doing nothing. Regardless of the stats everyone must choose their own means of exercise. Cycling as with other activities speeds up the heart burns up calories invigorates and improves health.

  2. Dean Mears says:

    In these current times where we are trying to fight obesity lack of exercise and reduce the number of cars on the road there are a minority of people who seem to be opposed to cyclists. Unfortunately there are cyclists who like motorists seemed to disregard other users. It is also apparent that pedestrians seem to ignore the designated cycle route. Also people with extendable dog leads are a potential to themselves the dogs, pedestrians and other cycle users due to lack of control of their canines. One of the advantages of using the Barrage by cyclists is the time it takes to travel across it to and from Cardiff. A possible solution could be clear as signage maybe illuminated lights which indicates the speed you’re travelling and also warn pedestrians of the potential conflict with cyclists.

  3. BluesMan says:

    The problem I find is pedestrians wandering on the barrage road without looking, dog walkers also leave there dogs wander around on extendable leads which create trip wires across the road for people/bikes.

    Kids on scooters, and skateboards just add to the situation this isn’t just a cycling problem.

  4. Penarthur says:

    I cycle across the barrage most days, and very rarely see anyone apart from children cycling on the pedestrian path.

    Equally though, I see people straight lining the roundabout daily, mostly out of laziness but partly because it’s actually safer than having to brake hard at the bottom of the hill and go round the often damp and inversely cambered roundabout when no traffic is coming.

    • snoggerdog says:

      i have to agree with the safety aspect of lt, im guilty but i make myself aware before i make that decision. & there are a lot of vehicles in a week that dont go around the roundabout

  5. whatsoccurin says:

    regularly walk the “Bay walk” and there is a problem of lack of consideration on both sides but do not think it is a major issue at present-the Barrage is becoming a major attraction during sunny school holidays,so the number of people makes the situation problematical at times-no excuse for cyclists using the narrow track when they have their “own” designated track and groups of cyclists who fan across the cycle track,pavement and road near the Oystercatcher are also a problem-but consideration on all sides is the answer,

  6. OB says:

    I often cycle across the barrage and always slow down for pedestrians, often stopping for children on foot, skateboards, scooters or bikes paying no attention whatever, not to mention adults in their own little world on their mobile phones. Well, children are children and cyclists should be aware that they do unpredictable things. The road across the barrage is just that — a road — and it is a blatant lie to say it is monopolised by cyclists. There is more than enough provision for pedestrians for most of its length and it is often used by authorised vehicles. I’m sure you are aware that the route has recently been widened at the Cardiff end of the barrage and is abundantly marked for cyclists and pedestrians. There is no reason it cannot work, given a scrap of common sense and consideration by all users.

  7. Racist Jack (aka Mark Foster) says:

    What’s more important, people being able to walk their dogs on long leads or cyclists being able to ride into pedestrians and kids at 20 miles per hour? The answer is pretty obvious I think. Ban the cyclists and their cycling profiteers who are destroying the ambience of our countryside and just out to make a quick buck without thought for the social consequences. Pretty soon they’re going to kill somebody.

  8. Ford Prefect says:

    I think the solution is to ban young children and dogs from the barrage. Their owners can’t be trusted to not let them wander aimlessly on a clearly-demarked cycle route.

  9. Miss. Ape ositive-outlook says:

    Realistically. We need to knock down the barrage.

    If it wasn’t there, none of these problems would exist.

    No cyclists. Humans, Marathon runners, Children, Dogs on leads, Dogs not on leads, labour and conservative parties, potholes, local councils, plus what ever else usually gets brought up in the comment section.

    Keep going all those who only have positive things to say!

    • Dean Mears says:

      I agree we should ban seagulls, high tides, swans and all aquatic animals and leave it sterile for the amoebas to take over. 🤣🤓

  10. Peter Church says:

    Don’t mind normal cyclists, but the barrage lots seem intent on breaking some sort of speed record.
    What is their rush all about, they are a menace to others.

  11. Nincompoop says:

    Part of the joy of walking in the fresh air is the ability to switch off and enjoy the surroundings. Generally the barrage “walk” is quite often like negotiating a busy road, having to constantly have your wits about you to avoid being knocked over by irresponsible cyclists. I have.no problem with people cycling I am a cyclist myself, I do have a problem with the speed some of these Lycra louts travel at, quite often easily faster than a car. I think tolerance on both sides is needed as there are benefits for both sorts of users. However cyclists need to stop thinking that they own the pavement/ road

    • Penarthur says:

      There is a cycle lane and a pedestrian path. I really don’t see the point in your post. Simply don’t walk on the barrage Road if you are having problems with other road users.

      • Dean Mears says:

        I agree. We are very fortunate in this area to have a significant amount of walks in different environments. Certain walks at certain times of the day will always attract multi users and it is up to the individual to choose a location of their preference.

  12. AK says:

    Follow the lead of Hyde Park where there are by-laws, speed limits and clear signage that pedestrians have right of way over cyclists. At least there is plenty of CCTV evidence in the event of an accident.

  13. Dave says:

    There our walkways and footpaths all across the barrage to segregate traffic. With a little care all should be able to use in perfect safety. The new bit widened at the Cardiff end is superb. If pedestrians stray onto the roads they need to take more care. As for the roundabout, coming down the hill on a bike there is plenty of visibility to go any direction you like if there is no other traffic around. Coming from the marina to turn right and go up the hill, there is no such visibility and shortcutting it in a car is reckless.

  14. Giveuponlife says:

    Everyone has a problem with rules, rules do not exist, humans are better then rules, if you take the time to look down at your feet it shows you where you are meant to be. For example: walking from Penarth to Cardiff stay left and if you walk from Cardiff to Penarth stay right. (In the desinagted walking lanes) It’s the same in the cycle path. Stick to your own lanes then we wouldn’t be having a problem. It’s that simple. You can’t drive on the wrong side of the road if you feel like so same applies to public paths

  15. Phil Dawson says:

    How about a ‘Cyclists Dismount’ sign at either end of the barrage? Problem solved.

    • AK says:

      Certainly at either end of the lifting bridges where most danger occurs at busy times. Add a few obstacles to the cycles too.

      • Dean Mears says:

        The problem with this idea is enforcement. Also at certain times the barrage is virtually empty and naturally any restrictions would be ignored.

  16. David Moorcraft says:

    I cycle and walk across the Barrage , – and up the Taff Trail. Cyclists – including the serious ones – should have a bell, but they don’t because that looks naff. So some of them weave at speed through wandering pedestrians with no warning, then there’s a collision. I’m not smug , but an occasional polite ‘ting’ with a small modern bell and walkers will usually give way.
    Also dog walkers with those extendable leads : a (trip) hazard on the busy combined sections!

    • Dean Mears says:

      I have a horn on my bike like a klaxon and you can hear me coming from 500m. I must apologise to the two people I have given a cardiac arrest but it’s all for the better good. 😁🤓

  17. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a cyclist adhere to the 5 MPH limit.

    • Penarthur says:

      Speed limits don’t apply to pedal cycles for obvious reasons.

    • AK says:

      I set the 5mph sign flashing when I run across; and I don’t run fast ! 5mph on a bike I’d fall off.

      • Dean Mears says:

        Setting a speed limit for bicycles would be impractical. Alternatively signage that recognises pedestrians along the route could be used warning that the path is busy.

  18. Peter Church says:

    From the comments above, you just get a glimpse into the selfish and twisted mind of the average cyclist.
    All they want to do is argue that they are always in the right.

  19. Frank says:

    Hilarious, all the ‘I cycle like an angel’ comments on this thread. Yes, blame children and dogs on extendable leads – once again. Have you seen the speed cyclists come down the Custom House hill onto the Barrage? Truly dangerous, And many cut across the roundabout as well. They also continue cycling at speed along the 5mph section. I’ve rarely seen pedestrians on the cycling route and most dogs are walked on the grass areas on the water side. I know because I walk the Barrage almost every day with my own dog.

  20. snoggerdog says:

    i agree with everybody above me,

  21. RD996 says:

    Nice rant, Frank. On the Cardiff end of the barrage pedestrians have always been a significant problem for anyone on a bicycle because they stray into and walk in the cycle lane. It’s a very common issue. This is why the path has been widened, but pedestrians still do it.

  22. Penileaks says:

    Well RD996, just like the Daily Mail, which you have referred to in your un-edited version of the post above, there will be other forums available to glean your news and express your views of Penarth from and if they don’t suit you, you should consider starting your own.
    I don’t always agree many of the comments on here, but PDN provides news and views on many subjects and I imagine takes a huge amount of time to run. If you are not happy, use another information source that more closely meets your views.

    • Confuseddeanus says:

      It is clear we have two opposing views on this subject neither which is right or wrong. These points are all relevant and in future I will function with an awareness of these.
      1. Whenever there are pedestrians close I will address my speed, make sure my hands are on the brakes, use my horn when appropriate and slow down appreciably when necessary.
      2. When dog walking I will only let the dog free in the grass areas where there are no cyclists. When walking near to other pedestrians or cyclists I will keep the dog under control on a short leash and only use the extendable leash if there are any conflicts with pedestrians in the grass area.
      3. I will be empathetic of other users on the Barrage in the anticipation that they will act similarly.

      That’s my barrage boy scout charter dib, dib, dob. 😁🤓

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