Vale of Glamorgan refuse collectors at work. The new scheme won’t make life easier for them.

The Vale of Glamorgan Council is to carry out 2 public consultations in Penarth next month on future plans for refuse collection and recycling.

As first reported by PDN on February 18th 2018 (see )  from September this year the council is going to be limiting the number of black bags which can be collected to just 2 bags – picked-up once per fortnight . (There will be exceptions for some residents).

Households will be allowed to leave no more than 2 black bags out for fortnightly collection

The council also wants to encourage householders to carry out further segregation of items for recycling and from April 2019  is proposing to introduce a so-called “source separated” recycling system. That means that paper, cardboard, plastic and metal, –  and glass – will each need to be placed in separate containers before being put out for collection.

These new arrangements are being introduced to help the council reach the new “statutory recycling target” of 64% which is being imposed on all local councils by the Welsh Labour Government . Local councils will be fined if they don’t attain the new recycling target figure.

The Vale Council’s public consultations on these arrangements will  be held in Penarth at the following venues and times:- 

  • Friday 04 May, 10:00 – 14:00 at Penarth Pier
  • Thursday 24 May, 10:00 – 14:00 in Penarth Town Centre 


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  1. David Day says:

    I wonder what they actually do with the recycling once they’ve got it back to their depots? Do they sort it into different materials and recycle it themselves? Do they subcontract the processes involved? If so, to whom? If they do subcontract the processes, do they audit them so they know what percentage of the waste material is actually recycled successfully? Do they send it all to China, or somewhere similar, where, for all we know, it may be chucked into landfill? Do they know the cost/benefit balance of the activity, whatever it is? Does anyone know?

    • Selena George says:

      No need to ask questions on here. Read the VoG website where it’s all explained

      • Ann Other says:

        Are you sure? The website gives practical instructions to residents but no information about any of the questions I’m interested in to do with the general strategic approach and the business practices involved. If you know where this information is, do correct my misapprehension. Perhaps I have not looked comprehensively but I can’t see it.

      • Selena George says:

        You said it, you’ve not looked comprehensively.

  2. sjleworthy says:

    be curious to know what they propose about the communal black bag ‘dump’ we see on the corners of a lot of streets every 2 weeks. this is anonymous of course and allows you to dump several at once.
    good or bad it happens, so be interesting to know how they’d tackle that.

    • AK says:

      Bridge Street Cogan flats ? I’m sure there would be something inside to identify the properties if someone took the trouble. But no-one cares.

  3. Phil Dawson says:

    Four basic categories of waste will surely require four separate collections? How will this help to save the planet?…What? It all goes into the same collection vehicle mixed together? Surely not?…Ah well, so long as nobody gets fined and someone ends up with a tidy profit…

  4. AK says:

    David Day, there was an interesting article on ‘The One Show’ last night which showed how plastic is recycled and reused. The Chinese no longer accept waste from overseas. They have actually realised that they create enough waste of their own.

    For the sake of the planet and future generations, we certainly need to improve things. A reduction in packaging for a start would be great. I notice one of the big supermarkets is now promoting a range of ‘wonky vegetables’ – great initiative, until I saw that they all come packed in plastic bags. Nice try !

    We already meet the 64% recycling target (just), but there is certainly room for improvement both with recycling rates and with the current messy and inefficient way our waste is collected in the Vale and especially here in the Dustbin by the Sea.

    A great deal of waste or resources using taxpayers money to sort, weigh and count the stuff, and then the right hand fining the left hand again with someone else’s money. You could not come up with a more pointless and bureacratic job creation scheme if you tried. But every effort should be made to identify those who put the wrong waste out on the wrong day and they should be fined heavily for doing so.

    There can’t be a ‘one fits all’ solution, given the different types of properties throughout the Vale. Wheelie bins are good – for some properties, but not for others. They would work in my street. But where a large house is separated into three or four apartments then surely they don’t need three of four times the plethora of wheelie bins that will be needed. I makes me sad to see the properties in Cardiff where the front garden is full of bins, most of which are probably mostly empty. It is actually possible in these properties to share a bin!

    A reversion to the local recycling centres of bottle / can / paper banks would reduce the need for regular collections from the home. There are many areas which these could be sited. But the local recycling centres should be emptied and tidied several times a week not left to create mess and havoc as they were in the past.

    But as usual I’m sure change will be resisted – the current lazy way is easy for all of us. And I’m sure whatever system the Vale thinks is best is the one which we will have no option but to use.

  5. 249ers says:

    Lots of good questions here which I hope can be answered at the meetings. Other authorities have multi partitioned collection vehicles where the sorted waste is placed in the appropriate portion of the van.
    My concern is the numerous containers that will be needed by each household to replace the current co-mingling box we already have. Will we see the streets of Penarth full of multi coloured bins left out week after week because the residents have been unable or unwilling to bring them in? Where will people with no gardens keep the plethora of new containers?
    Our household recycles 100% of its recyclable waste and recognizes the need for the Vale to increase its collection but I hope they will listen to the needs of its residents who don’t all live in houses with gardens and driveways.

  6. Mo Farah's pacesetter says:

    Why are the consultation events at 2.00pm in the afternoon, when the vast majority of Penarths residents will be in work!

  7. It’s fine when you are at home on the non-weekly collection days but it you are away on the day then you will have rubbish lying around for 4 weeks or if you are really unlucky 6 weeks or more.

  8. Allun says:

    A family of four easily generates more than two black bags of rubbish every two weeks. This is rediculous!

    • claire says:

      Agreed. A single person living on their own will clearly generate far less waste than a large family – it hardly seems fair.

    • Steve says:

      Does it?

      We’re a family of four and by no means the most environmentally minded. Most weeks we put two bags out, some weeks it’s three. As mentioned above, when you can’t put them out one week, they mount up quick which would be a concern.

      This is about generating cultural change, not just with consumers but also retailers and manufacturers. If the pressure is on us as residents, it begins to affect our behaviour, which in turn changes, what retailers buy in, and this ripples through the supply chain. End result is that (hopefully) less waste is produced.

    • 249ers says:

      Once you have sorted all the waste there is very little that qualifies for the black bag. My family of two usually has half a black bag a fortnight so maybe a larger family could manage on two bags every two weeks.

      • sjleworthy says:

        That is exactly right. There isnt too much that cant be re-cycled. Certainly nothing that requires a number of black bags every 2 weeks. We too have on average 1 black bag a fortnight which still has a lot of space left in it.

    • Duncan says:

      Just buy bigger bags

  9. Ford Prefect says:

    I think a large part of the solution has to lie at the retailers, both on and offline. The amount of packaging on some things is ridiculous. An example – I picked up a bottle of PVA in Screfix. It was wrapped in a thick, clear plastic bag with plastic tape, completely unnecessary. I ordered a bedside table from JL and it came in a box with enough expanded polystyrene to fill two bin bags. Unless the government legislates to stop this madness, we can sort all we like it won’t stop the problem.

  10. Birkett says:

    One of my concerns is how this will affect the state of the streets. The binmen just throw the current bags/boxes in the general direction of the house they think it might come from. As mentioned above, this could end up making Penarth look a right mess. Add to that the inability of the collection teams to tidy up after themselves (if they spill something they leave it, in my experience) and the chances of more material escaping as litter and I’m not really sold on this.

  11. snoggerdog says:

    dont listen to the above they are all talking rubbish.

  12. Phil Dawson says:

    I actually went on to OneVale last night to take part in their survey; I was disappointed to discover there was no ‘Not Applicable’ box to check so I couldn’t really answer any of their questions truthfully.

  13. Taxpayer says:

    They don’t want us to!

  14. gareth says:

    If all the surplus bags are not dumped outside next door, all it will mean ,at least for those with transport, will be a bi weekly trip down to the dump, thus having no positive effect on the % recycled and extra carbon emissions as we have to go all the way to Sully. Mind you I suppose use of the recycling center will also soon be restricted to users on pushbikes.
    Also why not restrict all eating places and the council offices to 2 bags a fortnight.

  15. Rupert Delaney says:

    With regards recycling and waste collections the simple solution to this not so complex issue is one collection for general recycling i.e. paper, cardboard, tins etc. and one separate collection for plastic as this is by far the most controversial issue affecting everyone in the planet at the moment. Plastics can then be recycled by the council for filling in the numerous potholes in the Vale, a company in the UK has now used this technology to great effect. I hope someone at the council is looking into this solution for the potholes!

    As to Martin Coffee’s remark it is totally not true that much less than 50% of penarthians do not work! Penarth is now a town attracting young vibrant people who work in Cardiff or around the Vale.

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