The proposed new orders cover parks and beaches

The Vale of Glamorgan Council is launching a public consultation on new proposals to get tough on rogue dog-walkers who don’t bother to bag-up  excrement deposited by their pets.

Under the scheme, anti-social dog walkers who leave their dog’s germ-laden poo lying on the ground in public spaces or on beaches would  face on-the-spot fines of £100 a time.

The proposed new  three-year “public spaces protection orders” (PSPOs) would be imposed in designated areas requiring dog-owners  to not only clean up after their animals but also keep them on a lead at all times.

The protection orders could result in an outright all-year-ban on dogs in some areas including the beaches at Barry Island and possibly Penarth where dogs are currently banned only during the summer months . Any dog-owners who don’t pay-up will find their fines rocketing to £1,000 .

The Vale Council has told MediaWales  “Despite several educational interventions, such as the Dogs are Clever campaign, there continue to be issues across the Vale of Glamorgan with some irresponsible dog owners, specifically where dog faeces is not being removed.

The council says “We know that the majority of dog owners are responsible, however there is still a minority of people who do not take full responsibility for their animals and ignore the council’s byelaws. Dog faeces that is not removed poses a health risk known as toxocariaisis.”

Public Service Protection Orders were introduced  under the Anti-social Behaviour Crime and Policing Act of  2014 with the aim of tacking  persistent anti-social behaviour in public spaces. They would replace the existing byelaws and regulations.

Disabled people who are have limited mobility and who physically can’t stoop to pick up their dog’s dirt won’t be subject the new orders . Those who are partially-sighted, registered blind or have impaired hearing would also not be subject to the orders . Police dog-handlers would be exempted.

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  1. Cynical Jock! says:

    Good idea,but only effective if they actively enforce it. No one appears to be enforcing the ban on dogs on our beach at Penarth.Dog walkers appear oblivious to the ban during the summer months.As I write this there are two individuals with dogs on the beach! At any one time on a warm day,like today,there is at least one dog walker out there!

    • Philip Rapier says:

      The Dynamic Duo of Valeman and Robbing – (us in Penarth of Council Tax).-
      Superheroes!. Feared by dog owners, Litterbugs and Parking Motorists all over the mean streets of downtown Cowbridge.
      Meanwhile these “Jokers” allow Drug addicts and Late Night Drinkers to get away with anything.

  2. sjleworthy says:

    curious to know how this will be policed? not the beach thing but the general fouling thing. funds are tight enough with complete lack of other ‘more important’ items on the agenda let alone funding for dog fouling patrols.

  3. Concerned says:

    Would be nice if the enforcement could be extended to our parks. In Alexandra Park last Saturday we saw several heaps of dog excrement in the grass and we always see dogs off the lead despite the signs. Shame on the owners.

  4. whatsoccurin says:

    “Concerned” has a point-usually walk through Alexander Park early on week-end mornings and it is full of dogs off the lead-or worse, on long extended leads which are an excellent trip wire. Also on pleasant days you can see tourists enjoying a snack sat outside Marcos on Barry Island-usually with piles of dog mess just a a few feet away.

    • ShellyW says:

      Get a grip! Do you want them on a lead or not? You can’t have the best of both worlds. Obviously you are walking through the park for pleasure and exercise- so are the dogs and their owners!

  5. the baroness says:

    I hope this will also include those dog owners who bag up the excrement and then drop the bag on the pavement or hang it on a nearby tree (yes I am looking at you Cosmeston dog walkers)

  6. AK says:

    Another piece of legislation which will largely be ignored

    * seat belts
    * mobile phones while driving
    * no smoking in commercial vehicles
    * no dropping litter
    * no fly tipping
    * parking restrictions

    The list is endless – and pointless unless enforced.

  7. Colin Beynon says:

    What about horse owners. I come across “piles” of horse droppings while walking around Cosmeston?

  8. Chris David says:

    Having see what damage dog faeces can do to someone if it gets in a wound (young rugby player- poo on the pitch) I really don’t think there should be any exemptions.

  9. MrsD says:

    I rang the Vale of Glamorgan council some years ago to check which parts of Penarth beach dogs were banned from, and was told that the ban referred to the section between the pier and the yacht club slipway. At that time the ban did not cover the area from Dock Beach to the pier, and the slipway around to Lavernock Point. I’m not sure whether this is still the case. There’s probably more sh*t in the sea than on the beach anyway.

  10. Lesley Monger says:

    I have a dog and always pick up
    Last week the bin in front of St Augustine’s was overflowing and hadn’t been emptied
    The council should provide more bins and collect regularly
    Most people I know are responsible and want to keep everywhere litter free
    We have a junior school at the top of our road and I am always picking up litter dropped by kids on the way to school
    Haven’t seen a road sweeper for ages!

  11. Kevin Mahoney says:

    A blanket ban on everyone which includes the majority who are responsible dog owners would be unfair. This situation and these proposals has arisen simply because successive Vale administrations have completely and totally failed in their responsibility to police both offending dog owners and litter bugs.

    A proposal to fine offenders £100 instead of the previous £75 fines that they failed to collect in so many cases? What a joke!

    Why have signs all over the place pointing out that offenders can be fined £1,000 when there is no intention to do so?

    The scale of the problem is so large and clearly visible that a self funding enforcement team paid for from larger fines should be quite viable with no cost to the council.

    These proposdals are as meaningless as the previous failed never properly enforced policy.

  12. James says:

    As a dog owner, I agree with this.
    I would also welcome the laws on dogs on leads being tightened up.
    My dog was attacked by a bull mastiff in the small park the other day and the stupid woman with him kept screaming ‘he’s a puppy’ and I’m a dog walker’ while the dog pinned mine to the ground.
    I’ve had dogs for forty years and believe me, love, this dog wasn’t ‘playing’.
    So irresponsible and dangerous. Lazy too as these people like to sit on their bottoms texting while the dog is left to roam and attack.
    All you need is a dog that fights back and it’ll be carnage. I hope these so-called dog walkers are insured to the hilt.

  13. Terry healey says:

    Putting a dog on a lead doesn’t stop it doing its “business ” irresponsible dog owners are the problem, why punish every dog owner just because of the mindless few ? I agree if the sign says no dogs on beach in summer months it should be adhered to, but banning them all year round ?? Here’s an idea for the almighty council, go over to cosmeston park after a glorious summers day and see all the rubbish humans leave scattered all over the park, you will be shocked and disgusted!!

  14. Archie says:

    About time to.
    I walk through Alexandra Park and Windsor Gardens daily and rarely do I see a dog on a lead. As you enter the parks there is a clear sign stating dogs must be led with a little picture for those who cannot read. Penalty up to £1000. I am fed up removing dog s—- from my shoes.
    In Alexandra Park dogs are let loose, often more than one, sometimes three!! run around the trees out of site of their owners and will leave deposits for children to get contaminated. I recently observed two Penarth stalwarts release their three dogs on entering Victoria Park. They should be setting an example.

    May I ask who is responsible for regulating the existing bylaws.

  15. Kevin Mahoney says:

    Having studied the proposals in more detail There doesn’t appear to any areas that I disagree with having to put dogs on leads. However as previously mentioned, there appears to me to be no strong proposals to penalise offenders other than to carry on with the pitiful measures barely implemented by both the last and current administrations.
    I feel that we need strong punitive punishments to rectify the situation to acceptable standards.

  16. FairsFair says:

    Rhondda Cynon Taff has a scheme whereby any dog walker not carrying dog poop bags with them are fined as well as anyone caught failing to pick their dog poop up. Seems a good idea to me – and I’m a dog owner.

  17. Nincompoop says:

    I am a dog owner and always pick up not only my dogs mess but also the mess of other lazy dog owners. If poo is picked up and your dog is well behaved I don’t understand why there is such a problem with people complaining about them being off the lead. There are very few open spaces in Penarth in which to let them off the lead. I can read the signs thanks but think they are completely pointless and I will continue to let them off. To anyone thinking of having a go mind your own business.

    • James says:

      If your dog comes over and harasses mine – who is always on the lead – I’ll make it my business, thank you very much, and I will certainly ‘have a go’.
      A nervous dog on the lead feels very much at a disadvantage when approached by another dog, large or small, friendly or not.
      I am sick and tired of lazy people strolling round with their dogs running amok and antagonising mine. One of the biggest reasons they let the dog off is so they can look at their phone or sit on a bench.
      Enough already. Put your f88king dog on a lead.

    • Archie says:

      NoncomPOOP aptly sums up your attitude. How on earth if a dog is off the lead, running around out of sight of the owner, are they certain it hasn’t pooped. Utterly irresponsible. It is a local bylaw after all. Are you suggesting that you are above the law

      Why do not those concerned at the problem take photographs of all dogs off the lead in Victoria Park and submit to the appropriate authorities for action.

    • Chris David says:

      Fine- but you haven’t minded yours !!

  18. Misogynist and Racist Mark (aka Mark Foster) says:

    Wot’s the difference between a dog and a fox? Answer – two pints of Brains Best Bitter and a vodka and orange in the Fag LOL.

  19. cogan nomen says:

    I walk the streets in Penarth town
    And on my way always look down .
    Glebe Street – mind your feet !
    Albert Crescent – most unpleasant .
    Salop Place – That is ace
    For doggie poo !
    Mind your shoe !
    This is Poo town !
    Yes – Poo town !
    Go home and scrub it off your shoe town .

  20. Frank Evans says:

    What about horses. Riders don’t give a sh*t about what their animals leave behind. Railway path was covered in it a week or two back.

  21. Some people are frightend of dogs and also don’t want to have a dog jumping up at them, what a selfish attitude , there should be some places where there aren’t dogs off their leads for people who are afraid of them.

    • Misogynist and Racist Mark (aka Mark Foster) says:

      I get that problem all the time in the FAG dahlink. LOL.

  22. Penarthur says:

    I’ve been walking my dog around 2/3/4 times a day for over 6 years and can’t remember having to clean poo off my shoes.

    I try to keep my eyes open.

  23. Nincompoop says:

    James: I am a responsible owner and look forward to seeing you for a nice walk and amiable chat. No need to use the bad language either , it doesn’t achieve anything

    • James says:

      Nincompoop, I’ve never been the prissy, pious type who regards ‘bad language’ as a sign of a poor upbringing or a rubbish command of the English language or blah blah blah
      On the contrary, I find it most effective when dealing with ignorant, selfish people who do as they please with no care for the needs or feelings of others.
      A few choice words and they usually get the message.
      I used to be quite an amiable chap but I’ve had a gutsful of people taking the p&ss, allowing their out of control animals to terrify my pitifully timid rescue dog.
      So to paraphrase you and your pull-up-the-ladder attitude to bye-laws intended to protect the interests of all, mind your own &&!£ing business. 🙂

  24. Nincompoop says:

    Thank you James for your enlightening explanation, as per my previous comment, I look forward to seeing you! You’re sure to recognise me as my dogs will be messing everywhere-off the lead of course and you may need to give me a shout as I’ll be busy on my mobile. Happy dog walking and in your own colourful words “f### y##”😀

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