The website “Petition Box” shows what areas of the UK are voting in favour of LEAVING the EU WITHOUT a “deal” in March 2019

Hundreds of voters in the Cardiff South and Penarth Constituency are rejecting the “advice” given by local Labour MP Stephen Doughty and are beginning to sign a petition in favour of the UK LEAVING  the European Union WITHOUT any deal .

By 11:45 this morning the petition has already attracted a total of  287,200 signatures from across the UK – far above the threshold of 100,000 necessary to require that the issue is debated in Parliament.

The petition has been set up under the UK Government’s Parliamentary petitions procedure – and has gained so many signatures that it will HAVE to be debated.

The petition – which is an official petition set up under the UK Government’s legal petition process –   can be signed on line by going to

The petition was set up by Michael Rudkin and will run until April 2019 . He says We are wasting Billions of pounds of taxpayers money trying to negotiate in a short space of time. Leaving the EU in March 2019 will allow the UK good time to negotiate more efficiently. The EU will be more eager to accept a deal on our terms  having lost a major partner.”

Mr Rudkin adds: “We will save billions of pounds from our EU divorce payment as well as a similar amount from Civil Service and Govt costs. This money will be used to support our own country whilst we await the EU to talk to us to make deals more in our favour. The EU border in Ireland to be managed simply by having a dual Euro / pound currency as legal tender in both the North and South. Exports to the South would be dealt with in Euro and vice versa when importing to the North. Rates fixed at time of the deal.”

Cardiff South and Penarth Labour MP Stephen Doughty could find himself in some difficulty on the issue within his own constituency

Meanwhile some of the other support for leaving the EU without a deal is said to be coming  from Labour Party activists .  The Guardian today reports that what it calls “the leftwing pro-remain group “Another Europe Is Possible” has been running phone banks to persuade local party members to pass a motion opposing Theresa May’s Brexit proposals for withdrawal from the EU  and is urging Labour to include a referendum in its manifesto if there is a general election.

The group, believes half of local constituency Labour parties (CLPs) will have adopted the motion by the end of January. If it’s adopted by the Labour Party in Cardiff South and Penarth, it could put local MP Stephen Doughty in some difficulty.

Meanwhile, another campaign group, Labour for a People’s Vote, will be urging members to contact their MPs directly, and encourage them to support a referendum if MPs reject the prime minister’s deal.ers overwhelmingly want the deal voted down and then for Labour to support a public vote on the deal versus remain.




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  1. MT says:

    336 as of 12:33 a busy pub full!

  2. Christopher David says:

    Meanwhile Doughty and co are almost all on holiday. Shows them up for what they really are. I’m personally supporting the Liberals efforts though I’m a member of no party. Vince Cables New Years message made far more sense than the May’s worst scenario of all deal and Corbyn’s ridiculous mutterings. Cables message is of course online should anyone be interested. I even think Cable may be an honest politician-rare and amazing.

    • Lesley says:

      Most people are off work at this time of year. Politicians are also allowed time off

      • Christopher David says:

        You are indeed a grubby little brown nose “Les”. Tell that to really important people like Nurses, Doctors, Police persons, power workers the list goes in. You have absolutely no idea of responsibility, accountability or enormity, but do you like lining your freeloading pocket?

      • PB says:

        Indeed they are allowed time off but if brexit is truly the Armageddon that they keep telling us it is then surely they would give up their skiing trips for one year to debate it properly so that the public understand the gravity of the problem? No didn’t think so, it takes a lot more for a politician to give up anything.

      • Zeberdee says:

        Many people are working… lucky you if you’re not.

      • Peter Church says:

        Are you some Labour Spin doctors Labour Lesley Lindsay Lynn, perhaps Doubty’s spokeman/women

  3. says:

    Rubbish – no money will be “saved” by coming out of the EU and we will be solely governed by people who have no leadership qualities whatsoever.

    Wales in particular, as well as other weak economic regions of the UK will decline very rapidly because they are not important to those in power.

    Brexit – what a lie and what a fantasy.

    Sent from my iPhone


    • PB says:

      You mean they our democratically elected leaders can’t lead? We already know that, they are good are furthering their own careers and very little else. Our current mps are pale shadows of some of their predecessors. Look at Tony Benn for some idea of how principled politician acts, it doesn’t matter whether you agree with him or not. He thought through the issues and formed his own opinion and stuck to it unless someone could change his mind. No focus groups or lobbyists to make up his mind for him.

  4. Louise C says:

    No Deal Brexit would be a disaster. It’s frightening that so many people don’t grasp the essentials of how trade & our economy work.
    Dangerous fantasists & cynical liars are leading the UK to crisis point.

    • Penileaks says:

      I assume that you believe that we didn’t trade with anyone prior to joining the EEC in 1975 then.
      Best brush up on your knowledge of British history I think.

      • Louise C says:

        Stop living in the past. We aren’t travelling back in time! The modern world is made up of trading blocks. We’re leaving the biggest to be set adrift with no trade partners.

      • Ralph says:

        Not forgetting of course that in 1947 we still had British India which is completely irrelevant as is your comment
        Lessons learned from history help us avoid making the same mistakes.

      • max says:

        well we did trade with someone but not a lot. In the 50s per capita GDP was around a third higher than EU countries – by the early 70s it was 10 % lower. Since joing the then EEC its been relatively stable. Joining the EEC was in part to prevent further decline in GDP. Is that the history you are talking about?

  5. Louise C says:

    Just reading the ‘manifesto’ regarding the Irish border & avoiding paying the divorce bill. Just one step away fro those Magna Carta loons who won’t pay their council tax.

  6. Peter Church says:

    So many remoaners, who can’t see beyond the end of their noses.
    When I voted to leave the EU I didn’t tick a box to stay half in.
    Remember all the business leaders who said not joining the Euro would be a disaster for trade, with businesses unable to cope with currency conversions.
    Turned out to be a load of B*ll*cks.

    Well fancy Blair asking for another referendum, the idiot’s got form!!!!

  7. i like to holiday in Le Marche says:

    What I find remarkable about this Brexit business is the way left-leaning types suddenly become experts in ‘trade’ and ‘our economy’ where previously the likes of private enterprise were dirty words.

    • Christopher David says:

      Indeed Le Marche (good taste by the way). Imagine Abbot in Charge of Trade and Industry or Drakeford running a Footsie company heh.

    • PB says:

      Exactly right, capitalism was a dirty word before 2016 but now they seem to have embraced free market economics totally, except when it directly affects them of course.

  8. Christopher David says:

    Indeed Jack and Louise- but I personally see no merit in May’s deal either- It’s got the famous mathematical fudge factor written firmly in. And yes, Welsh GDP is circa 74% of the average of the UK and we’ll need a Barnett (by a new name) top up if we leave. Nope I hope Cable can get a consensus for his plan.

    • Frank Evans says:

      Vince worthers original Cable.
      Telling everyone stories from his comfy armchair.

    • PB says:

      It’s about time we started to think for ourselves instead of relying on handouts from Westminster and the E.U. the assembly loves to talk, but they hate to actually do anything to change things. The valleys have been poor for many years, what has actually changed with the introduction of the welsh government. In face salaries in wales have been dropping by 4.2 % year on year compared with 0.6 for the uk as a whole. That’s appalling.

      • Frank Evans says:

        Valleys people have thought for themselves and guess what the clever ones have left the valleys hence why wages are down simples!

      • PB says:

        Sorry Frank, the only simple answer is that the government are encouraging low paid jobs to replace the “old” jobs that used to exist that don’t pay as well. The higher paid ones like the Cap Gemini office in Taff’s Well just doesn’t need the same skills as the Hoover plant that closed in Merthyr so the assembly answer is always get the low skill – low paid jobs in to keep the unemployment figures down.

  9. Jim arthur says:

    The comments on this page are evidence enough why the original referendum should have never been held. There is no understanding amongst the bresxitters here, just ranting. It’s almost as if they’ve never read the arguments against their positions. I doubt any of them are amongst the tax dodging multimillionaires or Russians who stand to gain. Therefore they can only be the simple folk who have been conned into voting against their own interests.

    • I am a hip, cultured Remainer says:

      Yes, that’s right. All the ‘Remainers’ are sophisticated intellectuals who understand the ways of the world while the ‘Brexiteers’ are thick plebs who need leading by the nose.
      Funny how a referendum is only democratic if the result is what you want.

    • PB says:

      I assume you want another vote so those simple people can now vote to stay, and then magically they will be more clever and more astute. Just like you of course. Most people read the arguments before the referendum, there were lies on both sides as expected and ever since a massive effort to undermine the result from the remain camp supported by the MPs who can’t don’t want the responsibility to deliver the leave result in any form, hence the big push to manipulate the public into letting them off the hook by another vote or are people so nieve that they really believe that someone backing remain has no vested interests.

    • Frank Evans says:

      Jim Arthur what a snobby rant. Pot calling kettle. Don’t assume you are cleverer than others or have a way of telling the future.

      • Jim arthur says:

        Yes, it probably is intellectually snobby. There’s no real choice when you’re dealing with people who ignore clear facts and forecasts. All Brexit arguments have been extingished. There is nothing left for the bresxiters but to attack

        I wouldn’t say it was a rant though, for rants look at the replies.

  10. BREXIT means BREXIT says:

    Who was stupid enough to think there was any ‘deal’ to be done?

    If I leave the golf club, I don’t expect to still be allowed to use the members’ bar and dining room, or play at members’ matches.

    We have wasted two years of planning.

  11. Bella Figura says:

    all I see from remainers is second-hand rants about brexit fantasists and liars – the kind of shallow white noise you hear down the pub.
    yet these born-again europhiles behave like seasoned economists; where previously what engaged them was Killing Eve and Coffee #1, they now understand the intricacies of trade with the perspicacity of an expert.
    being a ‘remainer’ is now an embarrassing, dreary cliche: 30s/40s, like to appear informed and to travel (while affecting concern for the planet) talk about watching Newsnight and wanting a future in Europe for their kids blah blah blah.
    one can only assume they saw the nauseatingly conceited posturing of the metropolitan QI crowd (keen to protect their homes in France) and jumped on the ‘intellectual elite’ bandwagon.
    this portrayal of Brexiteers as drooling red-necks became tiresome a while ago.

  12. Le Compte says:

    I am a Brexiteer.
    There is great understanding amongst those of us who want the UK to leave the EU.
    You show no insight into people who want the UK to leave the EU.
    I have not been conned. It is in my heartfelt interest to leave.
    I do not wish my country to be part of the socialist flavoured, over red-taped EU.
    I wish to be governed by a sovereign parliament and not by unelected EU officials or the ECJ.
    Money and finance has nothing to do with any of it, I am happy for an income drop in exchange for EU departure. The UK will always trade with the EU and any tariffs and barriers will be sorted. Our natural trading partners are our Commonwealth partners and our North American allies.

    • Louise C says:

      Our natural trading partners are our nearest neighbours. Australia and the USA are already causing trouble for us at the WTO.
      I understand that millions of people are willing to sacrifice prosperity for ‘independence’. But not 17m people. Some voted to be better off by saving £350m per week. Don’t you feel some sympathy for them? They have been conned into voting against their own interests.

  13. Voice of Reason says:

    Hey Jim as one of the simple folk who voted to leave, and voted not to join in the first place, please remember the referendum was a democratic process. Just because you didn’t like the result you seem to think that we should have another vote. So if many of us do not agree with the result of that vote I have a great idea – let’s have another one, and another and another ……………………… By the way I thought your post was a perfect example of a rant!

  14. Max says:

    Hmmm. By the look of Jim’s post he never actually asks for a second vote, he suggests the vote should never have taken place. Kind of ironic that seemingly the only people to misread that on this thread voted to leave. Quite right. The vote should never have happened as the facts of the reality that f leaving were never presented in 2016. The last 2 years have proven the complexity of the process. Would have made far more sense to conduct a thorough scoping exercise first, find some true facts and let the populace decide based on hard fact rather than political propaganda. And that goes for both sides of the argument. David Cameron has a lot to answer for his personal political ambition.

  15. Fishhenge says:

    I’m going to remortgage my home and hire the Paget Rooms for the evening of 29th March this year to hold a huge Brexit celebration party, yippee, 52% of the population of Penarth are invited. I’ll make a fortune over the bar.

    • Peter Church says:

      I will join you.
      Fireworks anyone???

      • Christopher David says:

        Chaps……has it escaped you PTC run it and ……have you seen their modus and record? I’m encouraged 🙂

    • Penarth Expat says:

      In your dreams Fishy. By the time Penarth Town Council have levied their bar charges and creamed off the profits you’ll be lucky to break even.

  16. Christopher David says:

    I’m not looking for a second vote as the first one was portrayed, in its simple ignorance. I’m looking for a vote on the facts as we now see them now, even a few options! Still a tad muddied but with far more information than the in / out banner on a bus offer. In this country we have votes every 4 years or so. Why- because that’s democratic and things change. The original Brexit “ideal” is now very old hat, much has changed. So what are the Brexiters afraid of? Oh democracy it seems. Europe needs massive reform, but can the UK prosper in its own simple insularity? Empires gone- maybe we need to move forward in united strength and reform from within!

    • Frank Evans says:

      Not looking a second vote just ignore the first.
      Very Democratic old chap!

      • G says:

        No more General elections then Frank? Would be undemocratic to vote in your opinion, so we will have one more GE, then that’s it, whatever government wins will rule for the rest of time.

        of course you will appreciate how silly that is? but that is exactly the attitude you display with your thinking behind a referendum being undemocratic.

        To be clear, a vote (and a fair and legal one, unlike the one currently being acted upon) can in no way be undemocratic. Voting, by it’s very nature is Democratic.

        Moving on to this ridiculous notion that No deal is the way forward, I believe people need to do some serious research into what No deal entails.

        No deal makes us an island in the most literal sense possible, we have no trade deals (and no you can NOT use WTO trade deals straight away, these take agreements that in some cases take years to agree) Medicine professionals are in agreement that risk to life would be large, as to stockpile the correct amount of medicine, would involved building warehouses the size of Leeds AND Slough.

        To walk away from our financial commitments would leave us as an untrustworthy nation, when we are at our weakest negotiation position. Why would people enter agreements with us if we have a history of walking away from them and leaving people out of pocket?

        We risk quality of life and literal life with No deal, this isn’t shouty politics about roundabouts and viewing platforms, this is quite literally the wellbeing of every citizen in the UK, this is big boys politics, being disenfranchised because people have a different accent achieves nothing.

        No deal will cost lives, livelihoods, quality of life, quite simply it makes every single one of us irreversibly worse off than we currently are. I implore people to do serious research on it, and to oppose it at every turn.

  17. Christopher David says:

    British referendums are ‘advisory’ or ‘consultative’, with no legal force

    Following the High Court Brexit judgment several readers asked why MPs should have a say since the people have voted – the answer is that British referendums are ‘advisory’ or ‘consultative’, with no legal force.
    Because this is so, the question then remains as to whether the Prime Minister and cabinet can take a decision based on them alone – called using the ‘royal prerogative’ (autocratic powers left over from the days of absolute monarchy), or whether the decision should be parliament’s.
    Today the High Court said the law is clear that it is for MPs to take the UK out of the EU – or not – because MPs took the UK in.
    The non-binding nature of the referendum was referred to by researchers at the House of Commons library in a briefing paper prepared last year as a guide to MPs in advance of debate on the referendum act, which called it “a type of referendum known as pre-legislative or consultative”.
    They said: “This Bill… does not contain any requirement for the UK government to implement the results of the referendum, nor set a time limit by which a vote to leave the EU should be implemented. Source; The Connection. Others sources; The Guardian. The Express. Hansard et al.
    So there was no vote and nothings decided. Up to Parliament.

  18. Christopher David says:

    Looks like it’s done anyway. Nowt to do with Brexit in its essence anymore. Labour et al blackmailing May into a deal now. Witness the Rudd change on Universal Credit. Democracy hah!! This is a disgrace and looks like our last hope is Bercow.

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